Talk:Manvel Grigoryan

Block fixed this page please

people was vandalized this page Armboy9911 (talk) 16:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Please delete tushonka it is vandalism

please delete tushonka in this page it's vandalism some people's Armboy9911 (talk) 16:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

War crime allegations

i will include war crime allegations from Azerbaijani side as well as Armenia side. Please add more sources if you see so Agulani (talk) 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

• Allegations of owning a slave

Armenian source

Russian Source

Armenian Source

Azerbaijani Source

Unjustified removal of sourced content – seeking consensus

The @Archives908 has repeatedly removed sourced content from this article without justification. According to Wikipedia's policies, sourced information should not be deleted without valid reasons. I request other editors to review this issue and provide feedback.

The removed section was completely neutral and fully aligned with Wikipedia's core policies, including the Neutral Point of View (NPOV), Verifiability (V), and No Original Research (NOR). It presented balanced perspectives from reliable sources representing both parties to the conflict—Azerbaijan and Armenia—and included direct, attributed quotes from the individual the article discusses.

The removal of this section lacks justification, as it did not violate any Wikipedia guidelines, nor did it introduce bias or unsourced claims. Wikipedia encourages fair representation of all viewpoints, particularly in sensitive topics, and content should not be removed solely based on disagreement with the sources or the information presented.

I kindly request the restoring of this material unless there is a policy-based rationale for its removal. Otherwise, this may constitute unjustified censorship and a violation of Wikipedia’s content policies. If there are concerns, I encourage discussion rather than unilateral deletion. Shahdag (talk) 08:12, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Let's get your statements correct...

1) I've only removed your additions one time (on 9 February) - not multiple times as you suggest.

2) I've fully explained my reasoning in my WP:ES - not unexplained as you suggest.

Per WP:BRD, you should have sought WP:CON before reinstating your preferred version of the article. My concern with your edit is that you have copy and pasted word for word large portions of text. While it is sourced, I'm afraid it may violate WP:COPYVIO. Either alter the text to comply, or I will alert administrators at WP:CCI per WP:DCV and tag the article for investigation. Archives908 (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Archives908, can you give some more information about why you think that the text may violate WP:COPYVIO? Google search doesn't bring up any identical or closely paraphrased text, and the Armenian text from the sources seems adequately paraphrased to me. I can't read Azerbaijani, but Google Translate for those sources also suggests that it's not an excessively close translation. Am I missing something? Best wishes, Revolution Saga (talk) 00:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi Revolution Saga, the text copied does not seem to be adequately paraphrased enough (in my opinion). Portions of it have indeed been copy and pasted and I'm not sure if there is enough differentiation. Archives908 (talk) 01:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Libelous allegations

The only sources for these allegations are the Azeri Foreign Ministry, the Azeri BBC News (which unlike main BBC, isn't fact-checked), and RFE, which has been probed for an Azeri bias before. There are no real neutral reliable sources, no real investigations, just a quote that has never been verified. This is libel and shouldn't be on Wikipedia. Vanezi (talk) 08:23, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

We don't have to speculate about the veracity of the quote, because the exchange is on video. You can watch the video yourself, if you speak Armenian. It was also reported on by other Armenian news outlets, including Grigoryan's own clarifications, for example: . By the way, the article you linked is about the RFE Azerbaijani service, not the Armenian service. Revolution Saga (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Interpreting a video is definitely original research. On the Panorama article, he says the POW was his guest who had nowhere else to live and was free to leave at any time. It doesn't support the libelous allegations. Vanezi (talk) 08:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

There is no interpretation going on; the article is citing the Azatutyun article, not the video. You disputed the veracity of the quote in the Azatutyun article (on what basis, I don't know), and I told you that you can watch the video where those words are spoken if you wish to verify them. In the Panorama article, Grigoryan never refers to the POW as his "guest". It's true that he say that the POW could have escaped if he wanted to (he then adds "What escape, gone and left; there wasn't a guard watching him, he was roaming around freely"). He says that the POW didn't want to go back because he was afraid of his own (Azerbaijani) commanders. And then he says that he sent the POW back back ("one could say, I sent him back against his will [կարելի ա ասել՝ զոռով եմ ուղարկել]") as part of a prisoner exchange via the Red Cross. I'm not sure what part of the article exactly you think is misrepresenting the sources. If you think that more of Grigoryan's statements are worth including in the section, then we can discuss that, but there is nothing "libelous" in the article as it stands; it's merely repeating what is said in the sources: Grigoryan said he kept a POW in his home, and some Armenian human rights figures claimed it's a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Revolution Saga (talk) 09:18, 3 May 2025 (UTC)