Talk:Maltese cross

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Colour again

The article says in the lead that the Maltese cross is white and then says "The term is often wrongly applied to all forms of eight-pointed crosses irrespective of colour or background." Then the very first image, which I've just removed, is a black cross with a caption describing it as the standard version. Obviously they can't both be right. Richard75 (talk)

The claim was completely unsubstantiated. "Maltese cross" is just the name of the four-arrowheads type of heraldic cross. It appears to have been first used by the Order of Malta as a badge, from c. the 1560s. Use by the order of St Stephen (founded 1561) appears to be nearly contemporary, but we have no good references on that. There may or may not have been 16th-century usage by Amalfi and/or the order of Lazarus as well, we don't have references on that either. What is clear is that use of the design by the Maltese order was the most notable, and best documented, so that this has become the name most widely associated with the emblem. --dab (𒁳) 09:07, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Lazarus

There is no reference for the use of a green cross. Even if the Order of Lazarus did use a green cross during its existence, it was almost certainly not a "Maltese" cross, which did not exist at the time. The green Maltese cross may have been attributed later, but this needs a reference and a date. Vert (heraldry) was very rare in early heraldry. It is not impossible that a green cross was used by the order in the 14th century, as suggested by this:

"In 1314 Sigried de Flatte, Commander of Seedorf, imposed a rule on his knights which prescribed they would wear on the front of their habit, on their mantle and on their harness a square green cross. [...] On 15 April 1419, Robert le Conte, Commander of the commandery of Saint-Antoine-de-Grattemont, received the visit to the commandery of King Charles VI. In his welcoming address, he mentioned the rule by which the tenants, domestics and commandery servants were required to wear a green cross on their habit."

This sounds not implausible, and specific enough as to be verifiable. But verification is still to be done. --dab (𒁳) 18:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Already, the 1314 reference does not hold up,

On a conservé une copie de la règle de la maison, que l'on prétend avoir été rédgîe en 1314, par le frère Siegfried de Flatte; mais l'authenticité de cette règle est très discutable.

The 1419 reference, otoh, appears to be genuine. So the encyclopedic approach would be to cite this properly, and state that the order is known to have used a green cross in the early 15th century (which, unlike a green Maltese cross in the 12th century, is also heraldically plausible). --dab (𒁳) 18:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

"Cross paty" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Cross paty and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 24#Cross paty until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. A loose necktie (talk) 08:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Not Maltese Crosses?

The last three paragraphs of Maltese cross#Similar crosses talk about similar crosses that "are often mistakenly called 'Maltese.'" The text doesn't cite sources or even explain how the other crosses differ. I think this is just somebody's "not a sandwich" opinion and doesn't belong here. See also: WP:NOTDICT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_usage_guide. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

The illustrations and links are inadequate? —Antonissimo (talk) 08:32, 16 January 2026 (UTC)