Talk:Luxury car

VOLVO

An another point that shows that Volvo is a luxury brand even when we talk about the US market is the fact that its dealerships are in the 6th place among the luxury brands...

European size segment

Consider adding in the first paragraph, that these cars are also known as the F-segment across Europe.

Missing Luxury Brands

Under Brands I think a few are missing.

Koenigsegg, SSC, W Motors, Tesla, Pagani, Gordon Murray Automotive, Aspark, Hennessey, Delage, Rimac, SP Automotive, Czinger, Deus, Zenvo, Rezvani

Certainly many of these don't have much of a reputation yet and/or have just produced one model, but Pagani, Koenigsegg, and Tesla are very well known and are missing. Haik12 (talk) 01:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The majority of what you listed are top end sports car brands - ie they focus on speed and handling. Luxury cars focus on comfort. Price does not equate to luxury.  Stepho  talk  21:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The same can be said of many cars on the grand list then, no?

If Bugatti is there why aren’t Pagani and Tesla? 50.159.63.75 (talk) 00:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Is this a joke?

The "Classification standards" section has three bullet points that actually could be taken as "classification standards". The bits about "In <language>, these cars are called <term>" are not "classification standards", but mere trivia.

Also, luxury subcompacts? Are you kidding me/us? You even mention "C-segment" when clearly luxury cars are "F-segment". Nobody would consider a Mercedes A-class a luxury car. Yes, you (whoever wrote or rather hacked together this piece of excrement) tried to CYA with "The term is relative and partially subjective, reflecting both objective qualities of a car, as well as the projected and perceived image of the car marque." but that's still just hogwash. Oh, and the reference? This "Economics Web Institute" doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, for crying out loud! A marque does not a luxury car make. jae (talk) 02:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

The term luxury should not be linked to size as currently is done in this article; it seems too much US focused. Starting in the 1960s, BLMC produced luxury versions (defined by characteristics as high-end materials, finish quality, comfort, features, exclusivity) of the mainstream models Mini and 1100 under the labels Riley, MG, Wolseley, Vanden Plas, etc. In the 1970-80s, other European car manufacturers started developing luxury models in the smallest of sizes as well, simply because the clientele didn't always want/need a large car (e.g. for city use only), but definitely did want luxury. In fact, contributing to their luxury offering is that they can get to and park in places where F-segment cars are a burden. Examples of that era are Autobianchi A112 Elegante, Peugeot 104 ZL, Lancia Y10, Innocenti. In the next decades, premium brands started offering small cars as well, think of Audi A1 and A3, Lexus CT, Mercedes-Benz A- and B-class, BMW 1-series, Aston Martin Cygnet. Nowadays, the smallest luxury cars have vanished from the market, simply because small cars (A-segment) are not profitable anymore, so there is no 'normal' car to base them on. Microcars have come around for city use though, and also in that segment, certain luxury can be had, be it offered by after-sales fitters, not by the brands themselves. Yet. Erremm (talk) 07:00, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

A correct definition of the concept

Although the concept of luxury cars has evolved over time, from the beginning of the 20th century to 2025, a luxury car is defined as a passenger automobile built in limited series, with high-quality and cutting-edge materials, and therefore very expensive and intended for an elite clientele, very wealthy to afford it. The main benchmark is the F-segment and beyond. Limited production and a target audience for elite customers are key requirements for defining a luxury car. We can't define the concept with marketing assumptions, because then everything is valid, even kei cars become luxury cars!!! Furthermore, I did not focus on the brand, which is crucial in defining a luxury car. Chinese brands are not luxury cars, they are the very antithesis of this concept. Let's try to agree because I'm reactivating my changes. Marketing can't be the determining factor in defining the concept. This term is a categorization as a sports car or off-road vehicle. With marketing, anything goes, they make you believe that anything you buy as a car is a luxury car. --Dorian88A (talk) 18:58, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I see the major point for luxury cars as comfort for the passenger. Everything else (especially cost) derives from these 2 points. They cost a lot because only the finest components are used. The finest components are used only to give the most pleasurable experience to the passenger. High quality and reliability is because the passenger does not want the inconvenience (discomfort) of breaking down or not having some feature working. Quality and cost are not goals in themselves, only ways of reaching the real goal of comfort.

Also remember that F1 cars are expensive and have high quality. So do many trucks, tractors and fire engines. Cost and quality can be used as a way of getting to a goal but are not goals themselves.

A possible side goal might be the display of wealth/power to others. Driving to a fancy ball in a base model Corolla is unlikely to help your social status. This is where cost may be a goal.  Stepho  talk  02:24, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Dorian88A Luxury cars focus on comfort. Price does not equate to luxury.

If you quoted "Chinese brands are not luxury cars" surely based on your biased opinion. If you try one of those top ranged Chinese cars, you will find out some are more comfortable than many European and Japanese cars. ~2025-40281-73 (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Chinese cars are cars for the masses, not for an elite clientele. There are no Chinese-made luxury cars that fit the definition of a passenger automobile built in a limited series, with high-quality and cutting-edge materials, and therefore very expensive and intended for an elite clientele, very wealthy to afford it. Furthermore, their brands are very varied and very recent, and they have no tradition of manufacturing luxury cars. Dorian88A (talk) 20:15, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

The Hongqi, which they call a luxury car, which was and is the Communist Party's official car, is the very antithesis of the concept of a luxury car.

Rolls-Royce Phantom V

1959

10th anniversary of the People's Republic of China

1959 Dorian88A (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

You cannot create marketing narratives that contradict established historical facts. Dorian88A (talk) 20:46, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

In the 1950s, Hongqi built some very ugly cars for the Chinese Communist Party elite. This is the reality. Dorian88A (talk) 20:56, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Now let's digress a little, even a bit controversially: we could have defined Jaguar Cars as a sports car and luxury car brand, but then the Jaguar Type 00 concept car came out, which some even said was inspired by Renaissance-era architecture. It has been compared to that of the Jaguar E-Type and Rolls-Royce Spectre.....

But what renaissance, what Jaguar E-Type.........the truth is that the Jaguar Type 00 concept car is a stylistic abomination, an obscenity that has devastated the brand as a sports car and luxury car. It destroyed the Jaguar Cars brand!! Dorian88A (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@Dorian88A we are now in 2025, why would you look back to the 1950s? Everything has changed, surely Hongqi has produced luxury cars in recent years. They cost more than you can afford. ~2025-40281-73 (talk) 12:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@Dorian88A we are only mentioning specific (not all) top ranged model Chinese cars that are luxury and comfort. Perhaps, not all European cars are luxurious. ~2025-40281-73 (talk) 12:45, 13 December 2025 (UTC)