Talk:List of world champion football clubs
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FIFA has recognized Palmeiras as the First World Club Champion
editOn July 2014, through a meeting in Brazil, the FIFA Executive Committee has officially recognized in the federation minute Palmeiras from Brazil as the First World Club Champions after beating the Italian Juventus in 1951 International Champions Rio Cup.
It is also reinforced on the FIFA oficial portal on Instagram as follows: https://www.instagram.com/p/BIK_ELQBTTh/?hl=en
The list should be updated considering this decision.
FIFA não reconheu oficialmente, APENAS usar palavras sentimentalistas parar agradar o torcedor Palmeirenses, MUNDIAIS só de 1960-2020( até atualmente Gabriel zeus1446 (talk) 07:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Errado, a Copa Rio de 1951 teve o status de campeão mundial outorgado ao seu vencedor pelo Comitê Executivo da FIFA em 2014, e até agora a Remoção de Status da Copa Rio de 1951 não foi levado a votação no seu Conselho Deliberativo, o ex presidente da FIFA Blatter considera o clube palestino como campeão mundial, já o atual Infantino tem suas dúvidas sobre o assunto, Não é atoa que a FIFA Sempre trata a Copa Rio de 1951 no seu site como um Título de Abrangência Mundial, vanglorizado o título palestino WarckNard (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Vice world-champion"?
editWhat on Earth is a "vice world champion"? Is this intended to say "runner-up" instead? And why are we listing a full list of runners-up in these competitions anyway? It's a list of champions, not a list of runners-up in various competitions. Jay eyem (talk) 22:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Same case for predecessor/unrecognized tournaments. This is largely due to the importance given to the feat for South American teams, generating biased disputes (the most famous case of SE Palmeiras in Brazil). Svartner (talk) 23:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
FIFA Intercontinental Cup?
editThe FIFA Intercontinental Cup isn't a World Championship anymore than the Copa Sudamericana is a Championship of South America! ACCH (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- The Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) was not a FIFA tournment. Only UEFA and CONMEBOL recognize them. The Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) isn't a World Championship. Only the best club of UEFA versus CONMEBOL. 81.184.63.174 (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
FIFA seems to recognise the FIFA Intercontinental Cup as world champions
editLook here directly from FIFA's website:
Especially the part
The battle for the ultimate annual club accolade, the FIFA Intercontinental Cup (Match 5) will be a one-off match, played in the same host nation as matches 3 and 4, to determine the club champions of the world for each calendar year.
In the list of world champions they also include Real Madrid's 2024 win in the FIFA Intercontinental Cup Câmara (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Also from FIFA's website: "Each Participating Club acknowledges that the Competition is a continuation of FIFA’s annual club competition (formerly known as the FIFA Club World Cup™) in line with FIFA’s objective and efforts to reformat this competition, which will be renamed as the FIFA Intercontinental Cup™ from 2024 onwards." BLAIXX 22:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- The Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) was not a FIFA tournment and isn't a World Championship. Only UEFA and CONMEBOL recognize them. The Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) isn't a World Championship. Only the best club of UEFA versus CONMEBOL. 81.184.63.174 (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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The Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) isn't a World Championship. Only UEFA and CONMEBOL
editThe Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) was not a FIFA tournment and isn't a World Championship. Only UEFA and CONMEBOL recognize them. The Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) isn't a World Championship. Only the best club of UEFA versus CONMEBOL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.63.174 (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
Previous annual club world champions
- 1960: Real Madrid (ESP)
- 1961: Peñarol (URU)
- 1962: Santos (BRA)
- 1963: Santos (BRA)
- 1964: Inter Milan (ITA)
- 1965: Inter Milan (ITA)
- ...
- FIFA also considers the winners of the Intercontinental Cup to be world champions. This doesn't mean that they were World Cup tournaments per se; it simply means that they can be called world champions. And that is also the topic of this article. Miria~01 (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- A competition that was contested only with teams of UEFA and CONMEBOL can't be considered a world championship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.63.174 (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- FIFA at the Kolkata council on 27 October 2017 pacified this issue . The rest is just a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and this IP user has already been blocked for disruptive edits. Svartner (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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Torneio Internacional de clubes campeões (Copa Rio) 1951
editYou Forgot to mention Copa Rio 1951...that was a club world cup/Intercontinental Cup after the 1950 copa do mundo(FIFA World Cup) in Brazil! Jules Rimet, ottorino barassi and Stanley Rous was involved.
It was important in a certain time of the history.Don't forget the FIFA 2014 Reunion that granted the status of Intercontinental/World club tournament and palmeiras as it's Winner. Joseph Blatter already said It Harry Santana (talk) 16:27, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
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2 World Champions simultaneously?
editHow can there be 2 teams that are World Champions simultaneously? If the FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a World Championship and that's been played more recently than the Club World Cup, then obviously the winners of that are the World Champions.
If PSG have effectively beaten everybody, then the winners of the Club World Cup are clearly no longer Champions. And of course, if PSG haven't beaten everybody, then PSG aren't Champions. You can't have 2 World Champions at the same time. It makes no sense. The information in this article is clearly inaccurate. ACCH (talk) 20:35, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
It's really strange, but since FIFA established two official tournaments, that's what we have for now. One champion for the 4-year cycle, and one annual champion. If you'd like more opinions, I suggest you take the topic to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Svartner (talk) 06:57, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
- I've done what you suggested, and nobody there gave me any reason to think there's more than 1 club that are World Champions. And there's nothing on the FIFA web-site that I've seen that suggests that there are. The frequency of the tournaments is irrelevant. If it was you that reverted my edit please will you change it back? ACCH (talk) 14:31, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Matilda Maniac: gave a plausible explanation. For now, the consensus is to maintain both competitions as equivalent. Svartner (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
- But equivalent doesn't mean they're both World Champions at the same time. Can I see the evidence of this consensus please? I'm not aware of any discussion of this other than the 2 I've been involved in. ACCH (talk) 13:32, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- Can I assume there is no consensus then? There's no logical explanation and no reliable sources that suggest that we've got 2 World Champions simultaneously. Please will you change it back? If you don't, and don't respond here, I'll ask Wikipedia for a 3rd opinion. ACCH (talk) 13:41, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- In the absence of any further response, I've now requested a 3rd opinion: Wikipedia:Third opinion#Active disagreements ACCH (talk) 12:37, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- It's an odd one, but I can't see that anyone (least of all FIFA) has come out and said that one tournament cancels out the other. My view would be that we should do what we currently have and name both, making clear which tournament each has won. For a more complicated example, see e.g. List of world heavyweight boxing champions, where there are many different bodies awarding the title -- at the moment we're lucky that they're all the same person, but often they aren't. UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:29, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The WBO, WBA, WBC etc are all different bodies though. Both tournaments to determine the World Football Championship are run by FIFA. I think the Football World Championship is more analogous to the Women's World Chess Championship ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship ) when they had 2 different formats between about 2010 and 2020. When Hou Yifan won the Women's World Chess Championship match in 2016, Mariya Muzychuk (who won the 2015 tournament) wasn't considered the World Champion too and only lost the title at the next World Championship that was played in a tournament format; she lost the title in 2016. ACCH (talk) 15:05, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't think that's comparable, as both formats were considered the same tournament. That's not the case for the FIFA Club World Cup and the FIFA Intercontinental Cup, which are definitely considered two different tournaments. However, I've given my 3O, so that's about as much as I can usefully contribute to this discussion. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:18, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The WBO, WBA, WBC etc are all different bodies though. Both tournaments to determine the World Football Championship are run by FIFA. I think the Football World Championship is more analogous to the Women's World Chess Championship ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship ) when they had 2 different formats between about 2010 and 2020. When Hou Yifan won the Women's World Chess Championship match in 2016, Mariya Muzychuk (who won the 2015 tournament) wasn't considered the World Champion too and only lost the title at the next World Championship that was played in a tournament format; she lost the title in 2016. ACCH (talk) 15:05, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- It's an odd one, but I can't see that anyone (least of all FIFA) has come out and said that one tournament cancels out the other. My view would be that we should do what we currently have and name both, making clear which tournament each has won. For a more complicated example, see e.g. List of world heavyweight boxing champions, where there are many different bodies awarding the title -- at the moment we're lucky that they're all the same person, but often they aren't. UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:29, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Matilda Maniac: gave a plausible explanation. For now, the consensus is to maintain both competitions as equivalent. Svartner (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
Non-recognised Club World Cups
editI think this article should have a section about the non-recognised club world cups, meaning, the club competitions that were hailed as club world cups by mass media but have not been recognised by the FIFA Council. Though they have not been recognised by the said council, some of them have been referred to as club world cuos (or attempts at creating club world cups). The Lipton Trophy was once referred to at FIFA.com as a the first World Cup, while the 1951 Copa Rio, though its recognition request failed, was referred to as a Club World Cup on FIFA Instagram, a Newscentre text and on faxes sent by the FIFA Secretary General to Palmeiras in 2007 and 2013. As they have been mentioned in this manner in FIFA sources, these facts should be mentioned in the article, with the clarification that these competitions have not been recognised by the FIFA Council. El cazador (talk) 01:43, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
- By the way, before I edited , these cups were already briefly mentioned in the Intercontinental Cup section of the article, which then mentioned Copa Rio, Pequena Copa and Lipton Trophy. El cazador (talk) 01:48, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
- As the IP erased the section "non-recognised cups", I wrote back the mention to CopaRio/Lipton/Paris1951/ etc where it was originally written before I started editing, which is the Intercontinental Cup section, and I mentioned the FIFA website texts on these cups only in a very brief footnote. Hope we can agree on a consensus the way the article is now. El cazador (talk) 15:53, 30 January 2026 (UTC)