Talk:Legitimacy of the State of Israel

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Requested move 19 January 2026

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

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Legitimacy of the State of Israel → Delegitimization of the State of Israel – This article doesn't significantly discuss the legitimacy of the State of Israel from a political philosophy perspective, but rather the phenomenon of "delegitimization". JJP_Master (she/they) 21:59, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - Of course efforts to delegitimize Israel will be a core focus of the article - if its legitimacy wasn't in question, there would be no need for the article to exist. I agree that it doesn't focus enough on Israel's normalisation of relations with some countries, e.g. Egypt, but I think the issue at hand here is the article needs to be improved, not moved. I don't feel particularly strongly either way, I just think having one article that discusses parties that see Israel as legitimate and illegitimate would make more sense than just having one focussed on the latter. WikiMacaroons^Cinnamon? 01:45, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - per wikiMacaroons. adding on, it would make more sense if additional sourcing was provided as well to support a rename, compared to current name. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 03:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

• Agree - the State of Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948 (almost 80 years ago). This article's main focus is on the phenomenon of "delegitimization" of Israel as a country, which I believe is an oxymoron, as there is no such thing as "legitimate" or "illegitimate" country, nor has there been some universally accepted criteria that would distinguish between countries that can be considered "legitimate" or "illegitimate". The only criterion that can be reasonably utilized to differentiate between countries' position on a global level is the extent of their international recognition; considering that, we can divide countries among those that enjoy "full", "limited", "partial", or "non-existent" diplomatic recognition by other countries/polities. With that being said, even the phrase "legitimacy of ___ (country)" makes little to no sense and this becomes obvious if applied to any other country besides the State of Israel. (LaMarmora1854 (talk) 09:56, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
• Comment - the lead says, "Israel regards such criticism as attempts to delegitimize it", so a move to "Delegitimization of the State of Israel" could be characterized as an increased alignment between the language used by State of Israel to describe this set of things, the phenomenon, and the language used by Wikipedia to describe this set of things. It's not clear to me that adopting this way of framing the topic would align with our policies. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:35, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

  Yes. There is an inherent bit of semi obvious politicization for either way of framing/renaming this article. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 21:16, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose Delegitimization of the State of Israel suggests an ongoing process, which is not the same as the state’s legitimacy being challenged. Lova Falk (talk) 07:15, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

Oppose—per Sean.hoyland. The proposal presents no convincing evidence nor policy-based argument in support of the proposed change. إيان (talk) 09:30, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

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Why are there no academic perspectives?

For example, works by Henry Cattan. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale ^{Will be the raccoon race} _{(talk・contribs)} 19:58, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Because you haven’t WP:BOLDLY added them yet إيان (talk) 20:48, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I am reading literature. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale ^{Will be the raccoon race} _{(talk・contribs)} 23:02, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Nice—I look forward to learning more! إيان (talk) 23:05, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

I have only written from the pro-Palestinian perspective so far, and I am not interested in Israel's view. If any pro-Israel editors want to write the views of pro-Israel jurists, please add second-level headings to our sections, such as "Arguments for legitimacy" and "Arguments against legitimacy" (or "Arguments for illegitimacy"). Thanks. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale ^{Will be the raccoon race} _{(talk・contribs)} 15:22, 10 February 2026 (UTC)