Talk:Jack and Jill

An alternative sexual version not mentioned in the article

Jack and Jill
went up the hill
just to have some fun

Silly Jill
forgot the pill
and now they have a son.

217.132.185.86 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC).

-- There's also the version I heard in the school yard as a kid . . .

Jack and Jill
Went up the hill
To smoke some Marijuana
Jack got high, unzipped his fly
And Jill said "I don't wanna" 24.11.21.161 (talk) 08:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively...

Jack and Jill went up the hill
To fetch a pail of water
Don't know what they did up there
But now they've got a daughter

This version's well-known where I'm from (South East England). Anyone think some examples of parodic versions should be added to the main article? ~ Wave —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.28.117.34 (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

All additions to Wikipedia articles require proper sourcing or they should be removed. Please see WP:PROVEIT. :bloodofox: (talk) 10:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The one I know ( not sexual but creepy af) is Jack and Jill Went up the hill To fetch a pail of water Jack fell down the well That led to hell For Jill was Satan's daughter

Pebblez Playz (talk) 13:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

And I don't think the in appropriate ones should be added to the main article coz there could be lil kids who just searched up Jack and Jill coz it was their favourite nursery rhyme. Like, they'd be scared for life were. Pebblez Playz (talk) 13:28, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

crown

What does that mean, he broke his crown? There's a german figure of speech "break a spike from one's crown" (einen Zacken aus der Krone brechen) meaning to get embarrassed by sth., is this the same? --88.66.2.63 (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

The crown is the top of a person's head. Equinox ◑ 16:54, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Google it Pebblez Playz (talk) 13:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 25 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Jack and Jill. While pageviews do favor the film, there is a rough consensus that the nursery rhyme wins by long-term significance. No such user (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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• Jack and Jill (nursery rhyme) → Jack and Jill
• Jack and Jill → Jack and Jill (disambiguation)

– It is the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC Sahaib3005 (talk) 20:32, 25 July 2021 (UTC). Here is evidence https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2020-07-24&end=2021-07-24&pages=Jack_and_Jill|Jack_and_Jill_of_America|Jack_and_Jill_(2011_film)|Jack_and_Jill_(nursery_rhyme)|Jack_and_Jill_School|Jack_and_Jill_(magazine)|Jack_and_Jill_(upcoming_film)|Jack_and_Jill_(comics)|Jack_and_Jill_(party)|Jack_and_Jill_(dance) Sahaib3005 (talk) 20:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Colin M (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

• Against: per the article, the phrase Jack & Jill (meaning male and female partner) is the primary topic. There are so many uses of the phrase in different contexts that the article on its use in the nursery rhyme needs disambiguation. Sweetpool50 (talk) 10:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose no evidence or argument offered. Automatic fail at RM In ictu oculi (talk) 12:44, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

• In ictu oculi, courtesy ping to let you know that the nom added evidence/argument after you left your comment.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 02:22, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, but as Bait30 notes below results show a fail anyway. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose: The pageviews show that Jack and Jill (2011 film) has more views than the nursery rhyme.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 02:24, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sweetpool50 and Bait30. Peter Ormond 💬 03:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support: The longterm significance criterion makes Jack and Jill the clear primary topic even if it gets less pageviews, since I don't think there is another usage of the term that wasn't inspired by the rhyme. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 04:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support, precisely per ZXCVBNM. BD2412 T 19:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support. This seems like one of those cases where the primary topic can't be determined by pageviews. The vast majority of entries on the disambiguation page are derived from the nursery rhyme, with one exception being the 2011 film. I am satisfied that primary topic criteria are met here. Sean Stephens (talk) 12:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

  Is there proof that the film's title isn't derived from the rhyme? I would assume that it was named that way due to the name recognition of the rhyme, causing it to be a humorous pun. (People expect there to be a Jack and Jill, but it really means he is both Jack and Jill). _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:52, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: I don't actually know, to be perfectly honest. I was basing that on my minimal knowledge of the film, but it's definitely likely to be the case. I'll have a quick Google search and insert it into the article if it's verifiable. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

  This and this both seem to indicate that it definitely takes some inspiration from the original source. The third paragraph of the first one appears to be particularly useful for this article, actually. Sean Stephens (talk) 02:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support. This is clearly the main topic.--Berig (talk) 17:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support. I agree that the nursery rhyme is primary by long-term significance. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Suggested references for use

Various editors above have expressed that they feel the article as it currently stands is in need of expansion. I've found the following references if anyone wants to make use of them

• https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/55035/dark-origins-11-classic-nursery-rhymes/
• https://www.interestingliterature.com/2017/05/a-short-analysis-of-the-jack-and-jill-nursery-rhyme/
• https://www.roanoke.edu/documents/AcademicAffairs/HowtoWriteandCitebasetext.pdf

There was also an Owlcation article but it appears that site has been blacklisted. Unsure how reliable or useful these all may be, but it's a start. Sean Stephens (talk) 01:49, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Was Jill originally a boy when named Gill?

The original image shows two boys, and Gill is more of a male name than a female one. A lot of other websites claim this too. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 17:53, 7 November 2025 (UTC)