Talk:Israelis

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Requested move 7 September 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 20:41, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

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Israelis → Israeli – Its quite odd and annoying that when I link to Israeli, it comes up as a dab. Then, a pipe is forced to Israelis. Looking at Wikinav, 60-70% of those going to the dab are looking for Israelis as a people, making it the primary topic. Therefore, this should be moved to Israeli. State of Israel can be linked in a hatnote. Modern Hebrew being called Israeli is rare and niche (altho I somewhat agree with that usage as its quite different from Biblical and Medieval Hebrew), but it can also be hatnoted. The newspaper and basketballer get a fully combined 0% of outgoing traffic. Metallurgist (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

To add a little more to this: if Israeli is desired to refer to the state, that is easily covered by putting the i outside the wikilink, Israeli. Metallurgist (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is the standard way it is with all such terms that are ambiguous in the singular but not when plural. Compare Uzbek and Uzbeks or Greek/Greeks. Srnec (talk) 13:33, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

  Thats a fair point, but in those cases, the outgoing is much more evenly split. Uzbek is about 50-55% language, 30-35% people. Greek is 35-40% language and 20% people. Israeli its 60-70% people, 20-30% government. Chinese is balanced almost exactly. Japanese is 55-60% language, 25% people. French is 65 to 20 language to people. Israeli is a bit different, as the language usage is nonstandard and rarely used. This is mainly between country and people. Israel the country is easily dealt with by an agglutination link. The primary topic for Israeli is the people. Metallurgist (talk) 17:36, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

  The thing is, there is no language called Israeli, yet Israeli (currently) has no primary topic. That doesn't explain why Argentine, Canadian, Pakistani and Singaporean are primary for its people, since there are no languages with those names, and so does Austrian, Australian, Brazilian and Mexican, which are not primary. I tried to make those terms not to have a primary topic, but failed. JuniperChill (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

  I have mixed views on that. It is a nonstandard usage to say Modern Hebrew should be called Israeli, but it is used. And I addressed that in my RM. I was providing other examples where a disambiguation is needed. In this case, its more clear cut that Israeli refers to the people and the state of Israel, if needed, can be achieved with an agglutination link. But Im losing the discussion here, so. Metallurgist (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per Srnec. Mellk (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is the standard convention per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). 60–70% of readers navigating to Israelis from the dab page is lowish for a primary topic by usage determination. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:52, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - WP:SNOW, and not the consistent naming convention. Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 06:00, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose as standard naming convention for demonyms is to use the plural form ending with 's', or if that's not the case, to use 'X people'. JuniperChill (talk) 21:02, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

  In that case, it probably should be changed to Israeli people if this (seems likely) fails. Metallurgist (talk) 00:41, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

@Metallurgist:No. The best way to resolve the problem you specifiy would be to open an RM to move Israeli to Israeli (disambiguation), with Israeli redirected to this article as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Personally, I do not agree that this article is the primary topic, but it is up to you to demonstrate such an argument in the relevant RM. RGloucester — ☎ 09:32, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

I pretty much did that for Canadian, but in reverse (Canadian (disambiguation) to Canadian), which failed. Also see my above comment for more info. I normally think that when a term that its people are called has the same name as the country, there shouldn't be a primary topic. JuniperChill (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

That might actually be the way to go. Metallurgist (talk) 17:39, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Disambiguation

Before I do another RM, I want to do a quick poll of the last respondents to see if any would support moving this to Israeli (disambiguation). If there are no additional endorsements, I will leave it for now. NB: This is a non-binding poll and not a requested move, just looking for input first. @Srnec @JuniperChill @Myceteae @Mellk @RGloucester @Freedoxm Thanks. Metallurgist (talk) 17:28, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

@Metallurgist I further oppose this requested overriding of the fair consensus results. I suggest we do a 6-month moratorium before we resume further RM discussions, per WP:SNOW. Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 18:54, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

I think this is different from the prior proposal to merit consideration, but if none of the tagged agree with me in a reasonable period of time (say, a week), it is futile (snow, as it were) and I wont revisit it. I dont think a formal moratorium is necessary as I will not make another RM for awhile. I dont want to give a hard time, but Ill take the L. Its not a big deal to me if it isnt moved, I just think it would make editing easier. Appreciate your consideration. Metallurgist (talk) 19:03, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

@Metallurgist do you mean move Israeli to Israeli (disambiguation) and, presumably, make Israeli a redirect to Israelis? --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:34, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes. Metallurgist (talk) 06:05, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

I think it's a reasonable proposal. I haven't thought through whether or not I would support such a move at Israeli but it is worth considering. I disagree with Freedoxm's characterization that this would be overriding consensus for this article. These are two separate questions: (1) What's the best title for this article about "the citizens and nationals of the State of Israe"; and, (2) Is there a primary topic for Israeli and if so, is it Israelis? A couple editors engaged with the primary topic question in the recent RM here but the specific naming conventions for ethnicities and nationalities was the bigger factor. If you proceed with the Israeli RM, it would be good to include the link to RM here for context and to avoid the appearance of impropriety (you probably would have done this, anyway). --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:06, 21 September 2025 (UTC)