Talk:Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy war

Moving the page/title change

I am not sure if there's a formal way to request a page be moved, but I am proposing the title of this article be changed to what's used in common parlance or is the common description of this dispute. As far as I can tell, the common description for this disagreement is "divide", and I think that should be emphasized, as this is not just a friendly debate between two sides, but a disagreement that has caused conflict and war (direct conflict or proxy-based). So I am proposing the name be changed to either "Sunni-Shia divide" or "Shia-Sunni divide", either or. Completely Random Guy (talk) 13:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

"Sunni-Shia divide" (or the reverse) would imply the wrong thing, though, and would overlap with Shia–Sunni relations. Fundamentally this aritcle isn't about the religious divide, it's about the ongoing cold war between these two nations, which goes beyond religious divisions. — Czello ^(music) 14:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

how do I revert an edit?

I am on mobile and I did not use Wikipedia very much and I made a very big mistake. How how do I revert it? Bte3000 (talk) 15:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I've done it for you. If you're on the app you can view your contributions and hit undo. Otherwise you can go on the article history and do it that way. I don't edit often on mobile so others might have better advice. — Czello ^(music) 15:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

thank you. I believe I have figured out how to do it in the future. Bte3000 (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Bte3000: Is there a reason you're deleting SADR? It's sourced information. Also please ensure you're always using an edit summary so other users know why you're making a change. — Czello ^(music) 15:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

The source speaks more of the alignment of Morocco with the Saudi side of this conflict. It mentions alleged claims made by Morocco, which seem to just be political justification for supporting Saudi Arabia. I don’t believe it says anything legitimate to say that the Polisario front supports Iran, much less against Saudi Arabia specifically. It seems to be a Moroccan driven narrative to justify their actions. Bte3000 (talk) 16:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 3 July 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved as to the first; no consensus as to the second. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:34, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

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• Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict → Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy war
• Iran–Turkey proxy conflict → Iran–Turkey proxy war

– Sources and search results indicate that the term proxy war is much more common than proxy conflict. Both are synonymous, so we should use the more common version. 9ninety (talk) 05:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 20:29, 10 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 07:08, 18 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. – MrAussieGuy (Talk) 09:12, 25 July 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 08:51, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Actual evidence please. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:41, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

  Ok. A Google search for Iran Saudi Arabia "proxy war" (quotes for exact match) returns ~132,000 results, while Iran Saudi Arabia "proxy conflict" returns only ~21,300 results, indicating that proxy war is more commonly used in the context of the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy war. A search for just "proxy war" returns 1,340,000 results while "proxy conflict" returns only 132,000 results, indicating the term proxy war is more common in general. Several of the sources used in this article use proxy war in the title, but none use proxy conflict. And it's self-evident that the terms can be used interchangeably and are synonymous, but one is clearly much more common than the other. 9ninety (talk) 03:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  a google search is not appropriate to determining the name used in RSs. Cinderella157 (talk) 08:46, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  It is a descriptive name, not a proper name, and proxy war is clearly the more common descriptor. As I said, proxy war also appears much more frequently in the sources used in this article. Google search is acceptable for determining the common name, as per WP:Search engine test. I also repeated the above experiment with Google News, which should be better for determining use in RSs, and proxy war still returns more results in both cases. 9ninety (talk) 10:30, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

  Still not actual evidence that those coming here can review. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Western Asia, WikiProject International relations, WikiProject Arab world, WikiProject Saudi Arabia, WikiProject Military history, WikiProject Military history/Post-Cold War task force, and WikiProject Iran have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 07:08, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Can we split this RM in two? The two articles aren't super closely related, makes sense to make two RMs. I support the Saudi Arabia changing, since proxy war does seem to be preferred, from my own research of the sources, can't say the same for the Turkey article. //Lollipoplollipoplollipop::talk 14:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The reason I nominated them together is because it is a matter of terminology and consistency. If we reach a consensus on the preferred term, we should use it consistently, since these are descriptive titles. 9ninety (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Support the RM on the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy war. Aside from the Google search above, I'm just checking sources and noting that the majority lean towards calling it a "proxy war." As for the latter, I agree with Lollipop; hence, I don't support RM on that page. Lf8u2 (talk) 23:53, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Why is this changed to proxy war?

The article Iran-Israel proxy conflict remains on that title, yet this is changed to "proxy war?" Persian Lad (talk) 03:41, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

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