Talk:Innocent Umezulike

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Rathfelder in topic Categorisation

Edit request

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Some additional info to be added to the article, along with some general clean-up:

  • Infobox:
    • Include the honorific prefix "Hon. Justice" in the infobox.
    • Include the occupations "professor" and "author" in the infobox and the lead section.
  • Early life and career:
    • Change section title to "Life and career".
    • Change job titles to begin in lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES and expand paragraphs with additional info on the subject's career, i.e. admission to the Nigerian bar, stint as a partner at a law firm in Lagos, stint as visiting law professor at Enugu State University of Science and Technology, appointment as chairman of the Failed Banks Tribunal Zone 6 Nigeria in 1998 and brief overview of the succeeding years of his career.
  • Add new "Foundation" section covering the charitable foundation named after the subject set up by his family.
  • Add new "Honours" section showing the subject's OFR medal (and potentially other honours as sources covering them become available).

Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 21:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Reply 19-FEB-2020

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  Edit request declined  

Regards,  Spintendo  02:37, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Spintendo: I'm not sure whether it's an issue with my internet, but the copyvio link you posted isn't working (I'm getting a 504 error message). Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 10:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
Never mind, I managed to access the page. Is it just the info from Olatorera source (ref #3 in the extended content above) that needs to be better paraphrased as the page says? Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 12:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Updated edit request

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Once again, some additional info to be added to the article, along with some general clean-up, with source material sufficiently paraphrased:

  • Infobox:
    • Include the honorific prefix "Hon. Justice" in the infobox.
    • Include the occupations "professor" and "author" in the infobox and the lead section.
  • Early life and career:
    • Change section title to "Life and career".
    • Change job titles to begin in lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES and expand paragraphs with additional info on the subject's career, i.e. admission to the Nigerian bar, stint as a partner at a law firm in Lagos, stint as visiting law professor at Enugu State University of Science and Technology, appointment as chairman of the Failed Banks Tribunal Zone 6 Nigeria in 1998 and brief overview of the succeeding years of his career.
  • Add new "Foundation" section covering the charitable foundation named after the subject set up by his family.
  • Add new "Honours" section showing the subject's OFR medal (and potentially other honours as sources covering them become available).

Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 17:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Please note that because the requested changes were presented as a whole, problems with any one part will be presented as problems for the whole. In that respect, the Agbo source is an editorial, and cannot be used. Currently, 4 ref tags are linked to this source. These need to be corrected, and then we can continue with the request. Regards,  Spintendo  19:28, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Spintendo: It would've helped if you pointed out all the problems with the first request for me to sort out before I submitted the second one, but I'll get on it. Are there any other underlying issues before I make another one? Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 08:57, 21 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Updated edit request 2

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Additional info and general clean-up:

  • Infobox:
    • Include the honorific prefix "Hon. Justice" in the infobox.
    • Include the occupations "professor" and "author" in the infobox and the lead section.
  • Early life and career:
    • Change section title to "Life and career".
    • Change job titles to begin in lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES and expand paragraphs with additional info on the subject's career, i.e. admission to the Nigerian bar, appointment as chairman of the Failed Banks Tribunal Zone 6 Nigeria in 1998 and brief overview of the succeeding years of his career.
  • Add new "Foundation" section covering the charitable foundation named after the subject.
  • Add new "Honours" section showing the subject's OFR medal (and potentially other honours as sources covering them become available).

Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 19:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

The Guardian source, which I assume is an obituary, reads more like an editorial, just as the Agbo piece did. With phrasings such as "a man whose humble background attracted God’s blessing", this item is more in line with an op-ed. According to The Guardian section at WP:RSP, information which is op-ed-like in its constitution is alright to use as opinion, but not for items of fact, per WP:RSOPINION. The obit/op-ed also is given no author. In those respects, I'm uncomfortable adding information which it references. Regards,  Spintendo  12:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Spintendo: Can you kindly point out every single issue with my requested edits so I can sort them all out before submitting new requests? It's very frustrating having to repeatedly submit new requests under the impression that all the remaining issues have been sorted out. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 12:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Davykamanzi: I apologize for the inconvenience, but a reminder — nowhere in my edit request reviews is it stated that each review is the final word on the matter. In any event, the consensus for how to treat op-ed items from the Guardian was established in at least October of 2019, if not earlier — while those covering WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE are even older than that. So all of these issues I've raised thus far should not have been news to you. Regards,  Spintendo  16:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Updated edit request 3

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Additional info and general clean-up:

  • Infobox:
    • Include the honorific prefix "Hon. Justice" in the infobox.
    • Include the occupations "professor" and "author" in the infobox and the lead section.
  • Early life and career:
    • Change section title to "Life and career".
    • Change job titles to begin in lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES and expand paragraphs with additional info on the subject's career, i.e. admission to the Nigerian bar, appointment as chairman of the Failed Banks Tribunal Zone 6 Nigeria in 1998 and brief overview of the succeeding years of his career.
  • Add new "Foundation" section covering the charitable foundation named after the subject.
  • Add new "Honours" section showing the subject's OFR medal (and potentially other honours as sources covering them become available).

Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 13:12, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Pinging @Spintendo, Willbb234, and AngusWOOF: this request has been pending for nearly a week. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 15:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Davykamanzi, the honorifics in the title and lead shouldn't be there. See Ibrahim Tanko Muhammad. OFR can be added as a suffix though. It looks like it already has been. Pinging Spintendo on the body of the text that would need to be reviewed for neutrality. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:08, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Additional info and general clean-up:

  • Infobox:
    • Include the honorific prefix "Hon. Justice" in the infobox. X markN Not done and not likely to be done Justices don't get the honorific like that. See Ibrahim Tanko Muhammad. I did move OFR to the honorific_suffix section of the infobox as per other infoboxes.
    • Include the occupations "professor" and "author" in the infobox and the lead section. X markN Not done and not likely to be done not a full professor, needs a lot more background to show that he authored some notable books. Needs external news sources that show the books published are widely read.
  • Early life and career:
    • Change section title to "Life and career".  Done
    • Change job titles to begin in lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLES and expand paragraphs with additional info on the subject's career, i.e. admission to the Nigerian bar, appointment as chairman of the Failed Banks Tribunal Zone 6 Nigeria in 1998 and brief overview of the succeeding years of his career. Partly done I lower-cased some of the job titles. This needs another review by another editor
  • Add new "Foundation" section covering the charitable foundation named after the subject.  Not done this needs another review by another editor
  • Add new "Honours" section showing the subject's OFR medal (and potentially other honours as sources covering them become available).  Not done this needs another review by another editor

This needs review by another author on whether the proposed edited text is sufficiently scrubbed for neutrality. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

I don't see any problems bar this one:

  • Please change He reportedly received over 100 legal honours and awards to something like According to Vanguard, he received over 100 legal honours and awards

I don't think this should be accepted until the much more experienced Spintendo gives a final say. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:21, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

With regards to the foundation, I'm not really sure charity is what they're responsible for — it's not at all clear in the proposed text that that's what it is — for all we know it could just be representatives of his family grouped together in order to administer his estate, legal papers, rulings, etc. The honors section is appropriate for mentioning the OFR (I see its already in the infobox). The other awards (He reportedly received over 100 legal honours and awards) are too non-specific to be helpful to the reader. I'll defer to Willbb234 on the rest. Regards,  Spintendo  21:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Willbb234: I think the suggestion you've made regarding the "legal honours and awards" statement makes sense. @AngusWOOF and Spintendo: In fairness, there's been no mention of charity in the proposed Foundation section, so if creating that wouldn't be appropriate, I think the paragraph therein could still be included after Umezulike died at a hospital in London on 26 June 2018 at the end of the existing Life and career section as that info still pertains to the subject's death. I also don't see why the proposed Honours section can't be added. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 21:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
When you say you can't see why an honors section can't be added, I'm not sure who you're referring to, because that's not what I said. I stated that an honors section would be appropriate — one of those honors being the OFR (even if it's the only award mentioned, it should still get its own section). I just don't think that also mentioning the "more than 100" other awards is pragmatic. As far as the Foundation, I apologize for saying it was claiming to be a charity if it isn't one; in the United States, the word foundation is a precise legal term meaning a charitable organization. That's why I cautioned that, as far as we know, in Nigeria, foundation may mean something else. Regards,  Spintendo  23:08, 2 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Spintendo: Regarding the Honours section, I was agreeing with your statement, but I can see how my wording could've made it seem otherwise. As far as the remaining requested edits go, it seems to me that there's no qualms on having them implemented at this point. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 21:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@AngusWOOF, Willbb234, and Spintendo: Kindly ping me if and when the remaining pending requests are fulfilled. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 20:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Davykamanzi: do you have the updated version of the article? And I agree with Spintendo about the "over than 100 legal honours..." part as they could be any type of award, notable or not. I don't think this should be included. Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:15, 4 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Willbb234: Have a look below for an updated version of the proposed edits with the concerns above addressed.

Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 16:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

cc AngusWOOF, Spintendo. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 08:31, 7 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Spintendo, AngusWOOF, and Willbb234: Pinging again as the last request on this thread has been pending for nearly 2 weeks now. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 21:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Pinging DGG for assistance. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 23:04, 22 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Onel5969: Pinging for assistance. Request has been pending for nearly 3 weeks. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 00:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
@DGG: Thank you very much. Hadn't caught your notification earlier given the typo in your ping but it's all good. I've closed the request edit template at the beginning of the section. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 08:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Categorisation

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