Talk:Granville Colliery

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Swadlincote ski slope

• ... that part of the site of Granville Colliery in Derbyshire, England, is now used as a dry ski slope (pictured)?

• Source: "The area has been much landscaped in the construction of the South Derbyshire Ski Centre" from: "Monument record MDR7950 - Granville Colliery (No. 1) Swadlincote". Derbyshire Historic Environment Record. Derbyshire County Council. Retrieved 22 September 2024.

• • ALT1: ... that a mine worker was "shattered to fragments" by a 1911 explosion at Granville Colliery but his horse survived being thrown high into the air? Source: "The national press reported that his body was "shattered to fragments" by the blast ... There are those, however, who witnessed Bodycote's horse and cart hurled high into the air, the horse being practically uninjured." from: Kreft, Helen; Lodge, Matthew (30 October 2021). "The tragic story that led to the name of a Derbyshire road". Derbyshire Live. Retrieved 16 September 2024.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Superfest

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 882 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 19:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC).

• The article is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, neutral and presentable. Hook is interesting. Image freely licensed. QPQ done. Should be good to go! JuniperChill (talk) 21:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Dumelow (talk · contribs) 09:02, 23 August 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Dumelow for starting reviewing and taking on so many reviews recently. It really helps with the backlog. I'll review this. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

No worries. I've reviewed at FAC and A-class before but never took the plunge here, though I have benefited from reviews myself. Hoping to keep at it and help out, particularly with the MILHIST ones - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

It's appreciated, especially since you conduct strong reviews. I'm passing this now since it meets all the criteria. Hopefully I'll see you round. IAWW (talk) 22:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

The two collieries [had] combined into a single works by 1933: Tense match IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Added "had" - Dumelow (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

The "incidents" section should be briefly summarized. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Added a sentence - Dumelow (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Origins

Who is "Court Dewes"? IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I didn't know for sure when I wrote this, but I've now found a reliable source confirming he was the son of Bernard and adopted his mother's surname additional to his own - Dumelow (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Main seam: Why is "main" capitalized? IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I am following the source, it's the name of a coal seam in the same way as the Eureka seam, Yard seam, Stockings seam etc. rather than just "a main" seam - Dumelow (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Ah this didn't even occur to me for some reason IAWW (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Could you add an explanation of where "Gresley Common" and "Ashby Wolds" are (or a map), or omit the names entirely, as the mean nothing without some context. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Gresley Common adjoins the colliery site, Ashby Woulds is a little further south. I have linked and added a little exposition - Dumelow (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Looks good IAWW (talk) 21:38, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Granville Colliery Company

by the 1890s this rose[this had risen] IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done - Dumelow (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

By 1900 the No.1 Colliery had ceased working the Main seam and started on the Cannel seam and No.2 had started to work the Kilburn seam: A comma before the "and No.2" would make this clearer. See WP:CINS. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done - Dumelow (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Where is the "Shoddy Pit"? Same as before, either add context or omit the name. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Added, with a ref giving its location - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Who is "Moses Cartwright" and why is he relevant? IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

He is not, deleted - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

It had operated for a period as a miners co-operative but this failed in 1896 after a shaft collapse: Another case where a comma before the connective would be clearer. CINS applies to the "but" in this case. I'll fix further instances of this myself. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, I always struggle with commas! I've added one before but. Note that after actioning theeearlier comment I have combined this sentence with the previous one with a semi-colon which you may want to review - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

who had also failed to make it profitable IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Removed - Dumelow (talk) 18:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Nationalisation

Looks good :)

Incidents

The Durham Mining Museum records show that at least 38 men were killed during operation of the colliery, nine of these known deaths came before the Granville Colliery Company took it over and none during the period of NCB control: Comma splice, which can be fixed by replacing the comma with a full stop. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

as far away as -> "in": Less editorialized and more concise IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Colliery site today

In 2018 a memorial lectern was erected on Common Road near where the colliery stood noting that the footpaths there were used by workers of the colliery as well as the T.G. Green and Mason Cash potteries to travel to their nearby workplaces: Needs some punctuation IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

OH yes, that was an awful sentence! Have had a go at it - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Looks better :) IAWW (talk) 21:51, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Suggest linking "toboggan" IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Done - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) Y

Good for GA, all the links are working.

Reliability (Criterion 2b) Y

Sourcing is made up of government records, local news, museum websites, and one book. All seems reliable.

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

Spot check numbers based on this version.

[1a]: Y

[4a]: Y

[4f]: nine of these known deaths came before the Granville Colliery Company took it over: I count eleven, including the one in 1972 IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, don't know how I missed that! - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

which was the last in a series of eight deaths since 1906, all attributed to roof collapses: Vingard in 1908 died from falling coal, not a roof collapse IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Really these sorts of conclusions from a primary database shouldn't really be made. See WP:SYNTH. I would recommend removing them, but I'm not gonna force it because I've seen it done so much in practice that I don't think it's a major issue. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I've trimmed out the bit about the causes of the last deaths as it felt a bit trivial. I think the timing of the deaths is useful information so have kept that - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Out of curiosity did you email the database to let them know they are missing Bodycote's death in their database? IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

No I didn't, but will do - Dumelow (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

[9]: Y

[2f]: Y

I spot check of five citations highlighted only one problematic one. I'm fairly sure from this that the article accurately reflects the sources subject to some human error here and there.

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) Y

Earwig finds nothing not covered by WP:LIMITED.

I think you did a decent job of putting everything from source [2] into your own words. It doesn't seem too superficially changed.

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

Addresses the main aspects of the topic

Media Y

I like your map annotations!

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

No issues

Captions (Criterion 6b) Y

All good after I fixed the issues with full stops on sentence fragments.

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

Suggest replacing the Google Books link with with the link to the same book on the Internet Archive. The IA is generally preferred. See the essay WP:GBWP. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Good find, done - Dumelow (talk) 18:11, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks :) Source accessibility is something I love to see in articles IAWW (talk) 21:53, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

The title of the book "Rugby School Register: Volume I from 1675 to 1839 inclusive" is wrong. The book linked goes from 1675 to 1849. The first and last names are also filled out wrong. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I must have forgotten to check the auto-filled citation; hopefully a bit better now - Dumelow (talk) 18:11, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Suggest archiving all references to prevent link rot IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I am sure there used to be a tool before that automatically archived links on articles, but maybe I imagined it. Do you know if this is possible? If not, I will look to manually archive the links - Dumelow (talk) 18:56, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

It was WP:IABOT, which worked so well up until recently and I used it so much, but it hasn't been working at all recently. I left a message on one of the numerous bug reports about it, but no one seems to be fixing it sadly. I need to learn to code better to I can help with all these bugs :/ IAWW (talk) 21:57, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Searching for the exact term "Granville Colliery" yields over 100,000 results on the British Newspaper Archive. Unfortunately that archive is no longer available through TWL, and only around 12,000 of the results are available for free viewing. Kesteven and Sleaford High School is an example of an article on a British place that incorporates this sourcing well. I was questioning whether this was enough missed sourcing to impact broadness, but I think that although the article would be much longer with the addition of those sources, the article still addresses all the main aspects of the topic and so broadness is not impacted. If you want to make it more comprehensive though, that's where the sourcing lies. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I miss having BNA access. It was very useful for British local history articles. Fingers crossed it returns some day - Dumelow (talk) 18:11, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

It's unfortunate :/ IAWW (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

A footnote explaining what a coal seam is would be appropriate, since the link doesn't actually link to an explanation of what it is. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Added a series of notes outlining how the seams lie - Dumelow (talk) 18:56, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

The explanation is very good and useful IAWW (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

See Template:Inflation/fn as a good means of providing references to modern monetary conversions. IAWW (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I didn't know this existed and sort of assumed template:inflation was judged to be reliable by its nature. It's a few years old but Temporary gentlemen passed FAC without them. I can add if you like though - Dumelow (talk) 18:11, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes I think it is judged to be reliable, though in my opinion adding the citation is a bit better. I just like to make people aware of it in case they think the same way. Of course you can choose whether to add it or not, since it's outside of the criteria. IAWW (talk) 22:01, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.