Talk:Gorals

Goral flag

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Proposed_flag_of_Gorals.svg

Vlachs?

I seriously doubt that gorale were called vlachs. There is a book cited, but it is nonreadable. It is in Polish so it cannot possibly say that they were called "vlachs". Please quote what exactly the book say. Also, the author, "Marek Kubica", is not an expert in ethnology. he is merely a "collector of old views". And the book is in fact an album --Altenmann >talk 01:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

It appears that this is the sixth time User:Caliniuc has added this information. However, despite requests, he doesn't seem to have a better source... Halny Hetman (talk) 00:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Stop being a nuisance you bugman! "Goral" is an adjective, meaning highlander, referring to the Vlach inhabitants of mountainous W Czechia, Slovakia and S. Poland. This article should not even exist! But nowadays they're in fashion apparently, some weird ethnonationalist exoticism... But my culture is not your costume, so to speak, so stop bugging people for the sake of your personal wishful thinking. Caliniuc (talk) 21:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

You, my good sir, judging by your edits, are most possibly a Romanian. Anyway, I found an article called Cieszyn Vlachs. In Polish, it is simply called Wałasi. Since there's another article on the Polish Wikipedia called Górale, I conclude that Vlachs and Gorals are different ethnic groups (which is further indicated by the content and the references of the aforementioned articles). Halny Hetman (talk) 23:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(For the record, by calling him a Romanian I want to highlight possible biases he might have in favor of classifying ethnic groups as Vlachs, that is (sort of) Romanians. Also, Matthew 7:3-5) Halny Hetman (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

To be frank, this thread seems to be informed by people uninformed on the issue by either side. As it stands, status-quo should remain and not classifying as Lach should remain. Whether the question of if any Goral groups were also classified as Vlach historically is another question, that seems somewhat irrelevant (consider the Podegrodzie region, where the two often intersect). As to the origin of the term Goral, etc, I'd prefer to redirect people to the history and classification of ethnic groups and not refer to etymology, while also keeping in mind current understandings of the region. Vininn126 (talk) 00:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

You know, it's easier to prove that something is than that something is not. Nevertheless, I found some authoritative sources proving that what is currently written in the article is false. In the Great Tatra Encyclopedia of Z. and W. Paryskis it is written that, although the name Vlachs was used regardless of ethnicity, it referred only to shepherds. (). In a publication of the Tatra Museum, it is said that the only village in close proximity to the Podhale region founded by Vlachs was Ochotnica and that Vlachs didn't even make it to Podhale whatsoever. (, page 318) Yes, both these sources are mostly about Podhale, but Podhale is the most widely known Goral region (see the Language section). Halny Hetman (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh my, you've reading. Started with the alphabet in first grade, and now look at you! Doing research on the "Vlachs"! Oh my! Keep going! Caliniuc (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Updates to the page

User:Skerillion has developed an updated version of this article in User:Skerillion/sandbox, but is unable to edit this page. Would there be any objections if I moved the contents there to the article? Vininn126 (talk) 10:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

No. The page was protected for a reason. Someone has to review the differences and vouch for the changes. At the first glance I see two issues:

• what the heck is "proposed Goral flag"?
• List of notable people is missing in new version.

--Altenmann >talk 16:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposed Goral flag is well a proposed Goral flag. The majority of flags for Slavic subethnic groups on wiki lack any official recognition. I can readd the notable people section or just keep it as it is. Skerillion (talk) 20:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Flags proposed by who knows whom do not belong at the top of the article per WP:UNDUE. Which other subethnic groups have special flags in Wikipedia articles? I will take a look. Masovians or Sącz Lachs don't have. --Altenmann >talk 21:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Masurians and Kocievians Skerillion (talk) 08:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed the changes using a temporary page and I see that replacement of content with massive changes is out of question. The user has to follow the rules of {{editprotected}} and add changes one by one. I will add uncontroversial cosmetic changes from the new version. --Altenmann >talk 17:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

All right so I shall proceed to slowly add the changes one by one Skerillion (talk) 10:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Altenmann What is the process for adding changes one-by-one for someone who cannot edit the page? Vininn126 (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Vininn126: use "template:editprotected. --Altenmann >talk 17:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Skerillion (talk) 15:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

History section to be changed from how it is to how it is in my sandbox (especially removing the parts about Jánošík and adding specification on Vlachs) due to being inaccurate in many places and missing key parts of history Skerillion (talk) 07:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -OXYLYPSE (talk) 11:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

replace Pillati A highlander with bagpipes.jpg with Proposed goral flag.png

replace

Then between the late 13th and 17th centuries, Vlach shepherds migrated to the region, gradually moving northwest from the Balkan peninsula over the Carpathian Mountains and settling on Polish lands there.[8][9] It is worth noting that due to the fact that Vlachs would very easily assimilate with local populations, by the time Vlachs arrived to the region, the original Romance speaking Vlachs became the minority and the term lost its ethnic meaning and instead referred to a majority Slavic (mostly Rusyns, Poles and Slovaks)social group that had taken up the Vlach lifestyle and created settlements on Vlach law. This caused the word Vlach and Ruthenian to often be used interchangeably (sources as they are in my sandbox) Skerillion (talk) 12:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. thetechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 04:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

BS moderation

This page and the moderation behind it is a clear example of the flaws of this site. You allowed some anti-Goral nationalist to edit how he liked and BS sources, when it was corrected the griefer abused the system to get the article reversed back to a false state. The opened concensus with clear as day proof that the sources have been lied about has been ignored, so its obvious its not about procedure but faux nationalism. The moderators should be ashamed. ~2025-36642-83 (talk) 16:53, 26 November 2025 (UTC)

Asking for a more neutral article

I think this article is made in a Polish centric way and focusing mostly on Podhale, its true that gorals are seen as subethnic group in Poland but they are seen as a seperate ethnic group in Slovakia, it would be better in my opinion if the text was more neutral and respected that there are different definitions of what this group is for different people, including us gorals. And that it focuses on gorals in general not just the Podhale gorals, since there is regional differences between the groups. Also regarding the flag here, yeah there is a proposed goral flag and yeah it doesn’t have vide use but that doesn’t change the fact it exists thus I think removing the flag was unnecessary. ~2025-41243-93 (talk) 07:02, 17 December 2025 (UTC)