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Reading, i find that Grenier seems to be the family line and Ibelun is a branch of the Grenier line. They are also marrying across cadiet branches. Writings from the time states that they are cousins regarding 2 individuals in particular. Interesting as well that of Grenier de Nablus possably being of that same family line and that he fought at the battle of Arsuf which was under the control of the Ibelins. FrankieJ 12:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romeo48065 (talk • contribs)