Talk:English people

Scottish is not Scotch except when it is.

I think that it is worth including this section despite the subject being included in archives. As a demonyn "Scotch" is now generally shunned in favour of "Scottish", except that it is used to describe a type of whisky. AJP Taylor used the word "Scotch"; as it appears in a quotation from him, it is correct to use in this context. 2600:1700:EA01:1090:28DA:408:B74F:DEDA (talk) 15:00, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

No, such a diversion is not of sufficient pertinence to this article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

It's unclear what the OP is proposing, if anything. Nothing to be done here. DeCausa (talk) 22:19, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

first two paragraphs of English nationality

If someone is able to rewrite this bit, or maybe just remove it, that would great Transient Being (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

@Transient Being Please explain how this would improve the article, as is the expectation of suggestions on the Talk Page Lorfragra (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I probably should have said what the issues were at the time of writing but only to avoid confusion once it has been edited. With the current version I think it is obvious enough to not need explaining.

Regardless, the biggest issues are the following:

Paragraph 1: It is totally unclear what “self-awareness” is supposed to mean

Paragraph 2: These statistics are explained in a literally unintelligible way. More likely than what? Were the options on the survey mutually exclusive or not? Transient Being (talk) 19:22, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

Changes or deletion would improve the article by removing lots of confusing or even misleading information Transient Being (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

"Describing ethnic minorities as English is complicated"

Weird section that doesn't really mean anything, it's a bit misleading at best: The overwhelming majority of people agree ethnic minority English people are English, and the difference between identifying as British and English is not as pronounced as its made out - it does exist, smaller than implied with about 24% of ethnic minorities saying they're "British not English", to 9% of white people, everyone else feels at least somewhat English, despite ethnic minorities generally trending towards british, but it's nuanced by the proportion of ethnic minorities living in London, something that also makes people more like to identify as English (chicken and egg situation there).

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/53380-race-heritage-and-british-english-identity-what-do-white-and-ethnic-minority-adults-in-england-think

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/how-do-people-define-englishness/#:~:text=Polling%20by%20More%20in%20Common,someone%20can%20be%20considered%20English.

More than misleading though, it feels written with a political agenda rather than because that really makes sense to be front and centre of the article. There's plenty more to say about English nationality than all that, and yet this section is somewhat focused on it, making it one of the first things to appear. I'd question the actual relevance of this. Similarly the "rise in self-awareness" - I don't object to this on the same grounds but it seems like an odd thing to say with no explanation, what does this actually inform the reader about "English nationality", again it feels politically motivated. ~2025-38242-63 (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Religions

There has been a minor edit conflict today, hopefully over now, about the appearance of Islam in the list of religions in the infobox.

I take the position that the article starts by defining the English people as both an ethnic group and a nation native to England. Religions in the latter clearly include Islam and for me that’s all that needs saying at this time. Nick Levine (talk) 15:04, 23 January 2026 (UTC)