Talk:Egyptian–Ottoman War (1839–1841)
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Albanian Bashi-bazouks
editShould the Albanian Bashi-bazouks be listed as a party to this conflict? My previous readings have suggested they should remain, but there are a number of editors and IP's who appear to believe differently, so I am opening this section to give them the chance to explain why. BilledMammal (talk) 01:52, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
They cannot be included because their number is very limited in the match
editThey cannot be included because their number is very limited in the match Votalay (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Dates
editI cannot find evidence that fighting went on past November 1840. Where does the 1841 date come from? I think maybe it's the sultan's firman of 13 February 1841. That's the date given in the French Wiki (with neither reference nor explanation). But it seems that firman (a) was a response to the end of the war, not the event which caused its end and (b) never implemented. Should the article be moved to 1839–1840? Srnec (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Result of the war
editThe war’s result was an Egyptian military victory and an Ottoman political victory.
The War (1839–1841):
Egypt, under Muhammad Ali’s son Ibrahim Pasha, crushed the Ottoman army at the Battle of Nezib (1839) in modern-day Turkey. The Ottoman Sultan Mahmud II died shortly after, and the empire seemed on the brink of collapse. The Egyptian military was clearly dominant, and it seemed likely they would achieve full autonomy—possibly even supplant the Ottomans entirely.
So why was it a political victory for the Ottomans?
Because European intervention flipped the outcome:
Britain, Austria, Russia, and Prussia saw Muhammad Ali’s rise as a threat to the balance of power. They feared the collapse of the Ottoman Empire more than they feared a weak Sultan, so they sided with the Ottomans against Egypt—even though Egypt had won on the battlefield. In 1840, the Convention of London was signed:
Muhammad Ali had to withdraw from Syria and other territories. In return, he was granted hereditary rule over Egypt—but still under Ottoman sovereignty.
Conclusion:
Egypt won militarily—its army defeated the Ottomans soundly. But Ottomans won politically—thanks to European diplomacy and intervention, the empire survived, and Egypt was reigned in. GloriousFigure (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Please read Wikipedia:No original research. Wikipedia does not accept conclusions that are based purely on an editor's own personal determination of events. The article must reflect what relevant reliable sources say (in other words, published references by academic historians).
- That said, the mixed results and concessions on both sides could mean that the better solution would be to leave the "Result" parameter blank or leave a note like "See Aftermath section below", per recommendations at MOS:MILRESULT and Template:Infobox military conflict. The article is poorly-cited though, which creates a wider problem, and further edits need to improve on this (while also remaining neutral, as appropriate). R Prazeres (talk) 17:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)