Talk:Ebon Fisher

Cleanup

This article needs pruning to facts and removal of comments such as, "The most significant property of a truth constructing in this fashion is not its veracity but the manifest vitality in the collaboration in which it arises." Tyrenius 15:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup Attempted

Pruning and referencing taken place. French translation (you know they love that "truth constructing") rewritten in less colorful English. - Trollpedia, July 1, 2007

Removing memetics category

I am removing the memetics category from this article since you learn no more about the article's contents from the category and v.v. Since so many things may be memes we should try to keep the category closely defined in order to remain useful. Hope you're okay with that. The link to meme would be enough I suggest. Facius 11:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

???

This article is almost entirely useless to someone who knows nothing about the artist.

"Cultivating what he terms "media organisms" in the plasma of mass communications, Ebon Fisher is one of the early, pre-web explorers of network culture and viral media."

What 'media organisms' are you referring to? How are they cultivated into mass communications?

"... he began his research into culture as "intercoding networks" of humans, machines and ecosystems."

Explain.

"Fisher's experimental media rituals in the 1990s helped to build vital channels of communication"

What are the media rituals? What channels are you referring to?

This article is little more than names, metaphors, and bias. Can we please explain exactly what he did instead of talking about how awesome it was and what it meant for humanity? 168.158.220.3 (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Ebon Fisher. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140329002832/http://grooveshark.com/ to http://grooveshark.com/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:34, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Peacock template

I've added, and now restored, a template for peacock wording. The article reads like hagiography. There are far too many vague and laudatory claims, as well as unattributed quotes which paint a flattering picture of this person. Focus on neutral language. Do not link sources together to paint a picture, as this is WP:SYNTH. Focus on falsifiable statements, and attribute opinions by name so that readers know who is saying what, and when. Grayfell (talk) 03:44, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

@Shipsmasthub: The article still has many, many serious neutrality problems. I notice that people have been complaining about the state of the article on this talk page for almost twenty years. Instead of perfunctory fixes which don't address the underlying issues, please discuss here before removing these improvement templates a third time. Grayfell (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Some examples, among many, many problems:

"Fisher’s diagrams of his immersive systems eventually took on a life of their own on the early web." fails WP:NPOV. This is emotive, evocative language.

The section 'Revitalizing Brooklyn' contains much of the exact same essay-like original research as the Brooklyn Immersionists. Every source should directly support the attached claim. Every source should directly mention Ebon Fisher by name. All sources should be neutrally summarized.

There are so, so many problems like this here. Grayfell (talk) 20:39, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

I'm looking for substantial published sources:

• The Williamsburg Avant-Garde (Duke University Press, 2023 ISBN 9781478024019) mentions Fisher a few times, but in no way implies he's singularly influential or important to the scene, nor does it give him any special credit for "tranforming" Williamsburg.
• The New Brooklyn: What It Takes to Bring a City Back (Bloomsbury Publishing, 2017 ISBN 9781442266582) also mentions Fisher a few times, specifically Organism, but in the context of the "nascent gentrification era" of Williamsburg. This directly contradicts the article's tangential editorializing about the validity of the concept of gentrification. The book appears to cite Fisher as an example of the creativity that was coming from the Old Dutch Mustard Factory, which is presented as an important part of the scene. The book does imply that Organism was important, but no where near as important as this article makes him out to be.
• Literature's Social Lives: A Socio-Institutional History of Literary Value (Oxford University Press, 2025 ISBN 9780197815120) mentions Fisher in a lengthy footnote to a chapter on countercultural spaces. It describes him as a "pioneer" of the Williamsburg waterfront scene of the early 90s, while also citing a contemporary review of Organism which describes it as mere entertainment. This is contextualized by the source as a part of the gentrification process, which is described as a "fact".
• Art on the Block: Tracking the New York Art World from SoHo to the Bowery, Bushwick and Beyond (Macmillan, 2013 ISBN 9781137278494) mentions Fisher once, almost parenthetically, in a section about art dealer Annie Herron.

I'm not impressed by the sources I'm finding so far. This article reads like hagiography and appears to be filled to the brim with WP:OR. Grayfell (talk) 21:58, 13 July 2026 (UTC)