Talk:Eastern Indo-Aryan languages

Eastern Magadhan

@Austronesier: I hope you will have a look at Eastern_Indo-Aryan_languages#Eastern_Magadhan and correct the classification. I messed around mostly with Odia and dialects and moved a few others here and there, according to Glottolog and Cardona and Jain (2014). Thanks! Chaipau (talk) 11:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Very illogical tree list. Bangali, Varendri, Sundarbani, Manbhumi, all developed separately from Standard Bengali/Rarhi just like Sylheti and Chittagonian. Dhakaiya Kutti developed from Bangali. UserNumber (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Agree with UserNumber, the upper part of Bengali-Assamese also has major divisions which should be mapped into the tree. Remeber that Masica even wrote that the difference between standard Bengali and Chittagonian is bigger than between standard Bengali and Assamese. –Austronesier (talk) 19:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@UserNumber and Austronesier: Yes, absolutely. I see there have been edits and it all looks good to me now. Thanks for the comments and the edits. Chaipau (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@UserNumber and Austronesier: Maybe we could explain Dhakaiya Kutti language a little more. This is because it is now given in parentheses after Bangali (ethnic dialect). The issue here is that Bangali should not be listed here, according to your assertion; and as this article demonstrates, there is a separate Bangladeshi standard . Chaipau (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Kutti is pretty much a creole between Bangali and Urdu. The Bangladeshi standard is not very different to the West Bengal standard, both coming from Rarhi. UserNumber (talk) 16:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Msasag: This page is primarily about the genealogical classification of language varieties and dialects, not about their sociolinguistic status. Have a look at West Germanic languages: there you have a similar situation where sociolinguistic language borders and dialect units based on historical-comparative classification do not overlap. I would actually welcome if UserNumber could add something about the internal structure of Bengali-Gauda according to modern sholarship. I am only familiar with Chatterji, but I know there is more recent literature out there. –Austronesier (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Austronesier: Ok. It seems Bengal-Gauda is used on glottolog (where it's a mixture of Grierson and Toulmin's classification). SK Chaterjee treated Rarhi, Vangiya, Varendri as separate groups just like Kamarupi. He included Odia under Rarhi. I wonder which classification this one follows because it seems to be unsourced. Msasag (talk) 02:10, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Language family classification of Maithili

•My recent edit was reverted with the summary "Rv unsourced vandalism + WP:OR." by @Jujubhaju:. So I would like to discuss the current classification of Maithili in the language family section. While some older and outdated sources place Maithili within the Bihari subgroup, more recent and reliable scholarship generally describes it as an Eastern Indo-Aryan language and recognizes it as a distinct language with its own literary tradition and historical development. These sources emphasize that Maithili has evolved independently and possesses characteristics that distinguish it from the Bihari subgroup classification. For example:

•Encyclopaedia Britannica describes Maithili as a distinct Indo-Aryan language which is very different from Bihari Subgroup. Does not require the Bihari label when discussing Maithili as a language.

•Research Paper (2020)

A Finite State Transducer Based Morphological Analyzer of Maithili Language.

Explicitly states: "Maithili is an eastern Indo-Aryan language."

•Maithili is a distinct and well-established Eastern Indo-Aryan language with its own rich literary tradition, historical development, and linguistic identity. Its phonology, grammar, vocabulary, and documented literary heritage differentiate it significantly from other languages traditionally grouped under the Bihari label. Consequently, classifying or subsuming Maithili under the Bihari subgroup may not accurately reflect contemporary linguistic scholarship, which increasingly recognizes Maithili as an independent language within the Eastern Indo-Aryan branch. Given its unique historical and linguistic trajectory, Maithili deserves to be represented on the basis of its own merits rather than through classifications derived from outdated or generalized frameworks. I would appreciate comments from other editors regarding whether the article should reflect differing scholarly classifications. PurabAnand9 (talk) 16:21, 31 May 2026 (UTC)