Talk:Dole plc

Latest comment: 6 months ago by ~2025-38095-58 in topic Neutrality

Key people update

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Hi editors, my name is William and I work for Dole plc. I'm hoping to make some updates to the article and wanted to start by updating the Key people in the infobox, as that is a bit outdated since our merger with Total Produce. Dole's CEO is Rory Byrne, its executive chairman is Carl McCann, and its COO is Johan Linden. That's covered in this article. I also made a citation[1] to ease things along. Is it possible for someone to make that update? I won't make any changes myself due to my conflict of interest. Thanks in advance for your consideration. 14:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

WG at Dole (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

 Done - please check this edit for accuracy and current status. Is there any WP:RS source giving the corporate involvement (if still applicable) and life status of David Murdock? Zefr (talk) 17:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

I did find this Reuters report, indicating that Murdock - at age 98 in 2021 when the Total Produce merger occurred - holds no corporate or board position in the new company. This 2021 SEC filing for Dole plc shows that Murdock has nearly 12 million common shares of the company owned through his controlled interests in a family trust, a family group, and Castle & Cooke for which Murdock is the principal owner. Zefr (talk) 18:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr:, thanks so much for the quick response. The edits to the key people look good. However, some of the product line is not correct. Dole sold its packaged food division, which includes juices manufactured by Pepsico and frozen fruits, to Itochu in 2012. That's covered in this Reuters article[1] and this Wall Street Journal article.[2] Those products still use the Dole brand, but are not produced by Dole plc.
I'm putting the final touches on a draft I hope to upload soon of the article that has up-to-date product information, as well as some updated information about the merger with Total Produce, sale of the packaged foods division, and sourcing with updated financial, employment, and asset numbers based on Dole's SEC filings, which I believe are a bit more detailed than the Yahoo! profile. I'm just going to try to figure out how to upload our new logo (it's the one with the green outline on this site you added: https://www.doleplc.com/about/our-commercial-strengths) then it will be ready. Because it's a long draft, I'll keep making smaller requests once it's uploaded.
As for the status of David Murdock with the company, I haven't come across anything superior to that Reuters article you posted. This article from the Independent Tribune mentions a new building built by Murdock and his role with Castle & Cooke, omitting anything with Dole, but I think it's a press release and even if not, I'm still not sure it really answers your question. He does not hold any corporate/board responsibilities now that the merger has finished as the Reuters report indicated.
I hope that is helpful, and thank you again for taking a look at this request! I'll be back soon to update the logo and upload the draft. WG at Dole (talk) 17:48, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. Sheldrick, Aaron (17 September 2012). "Dole Food sells two businesses to Itochu for $1.7 billion". Reuters. Retrieved 16 March 2022.
  2. Chaudhuri, Saabira; Jargon, Julie (12 August 2013). "Dole Food Agrees to $1.2 Billion Buyout Offer". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 16 March 2022.

Logo update

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Hello editors. I'm William and I work for Dole. I was hoping to update the logo in the infobox to the most recent one. I believe I have uploaded everything correctly. The file name is File:Dole Foods Logo Green Leaf with Shadow 2018.png. Please let me know if you have any questions. I won't make this change myself due to my conflict of interest. @Zefr:, you've been so helpful in reviewing my requests, would you consider taking a look at this as well? I'd really appreciate it. WG at Dole (talk) 17:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

WG at Dole - the file is not present in Wikimedia Commons where licensed images have to be cleared. When I reviewed the file and clicked on "Export to Wikimedia Commons", the following error message appeared: This file cannot be transferred to Wikimedia Commons, because it is not marked with a compatible licence. Wikimedia Commons does not allow such files. This might be resolvable, but most probably means the file is not compatible. Please consult the Wikimedia Commons community policy and talk pages about licensing. You can use your Wikipedia username to enter Commons, and follow the upload wizard and "release rights" procedure, here. Zefr (talk) 18:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: Thanks for replying. I was under the impression that logos should be uploaded directly to Wikipedia for fair use since they are non-free content. Additionally, there is this licensiging tutorial that says Wikimedia Commons cannot accept logos. WG at Dole (talk) 20:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
WG at Dole - perhaps you could review WP:LOGO for any issues, and - if all is clear - you could upload it yourself, recognizing that "if challenged, it is the responsibility of those who wish to include the logo to prove that its use meets Wikipedia non-free content criteria." Zefr (talk) 03:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: I certainly appreciate your caution with this, it's something I was concerned about too. That said, I am confident that uploading the logo directly to Wikipedia is the appropriate way to do things and that its usage meets the standards of Fair Use and other requirements of WP:LOGO. However, because of my conflict of interest, I do not want to make the change myself, as I understand that even simple changes like that can cause problems for conflict of interest editors. So to that end, I have reuploaded the logo as it was deleted and pinged @Connormah: as they uploaded the last logo to get their thoughts. Thanks for your thoughts here Zefr and adherence to making sure it is done the right way! I definitely want to make sure I'm following the rules and I really appreciate the way you've talked through this and provided these policy pages. I hope we can continue working together on improvements to the page! WG at Dole (talk) 21:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@WG at Dole: - The appropriate place to upload the logo would indeed be here on Wikipedia. If you have a vector version that can be uploaded over the existing logo, I'd be certainly happy to do that and the housekeeping work associated with it. Connormah (talk) 05:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Connormah: thanks for being willing to help with it! I'm not an expert so I appreciate the time. I was able to track down a new logo in the SVG format and created a new file as I could not upload it over the old one. That new file can be located here here. Please let me know if there's anything else you need from me to make the update and thank you again for your help! WG at Dole (talk) 21:37, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@WG at Dole:, thanks, that is great! I have replaced the logo in the article and will go about deleting the old version per the WP:NFCC. Connormah (talk) 14:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Connormah: Thanks so much for your help! WG at Dole (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Company overview section

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Hello editors, I've got another request to make of the article as I hope to keep proposing updates and improvements to it. I've noticed on other company articles that many of them have Company overview sections that provide basic operational details near the top of the article. I know this article currently has an Operations section (and thank you @Zefr: for your help in updating the leadership there!), but I was wondering what editors thought about replacing that with a Company overview section and moving it up in the article?

I noticed the current section also has some unsourced content, so I tried to make updates to it and shrink it down a bit (and found this cool "collapse" thing!).

I think the revised lede today covers the general article content, and the infobox is sufficient for details that are probably not useful to the general user. See WP:LEAD. There are a few inconsistencies of details between the non-Dole sources and About from the corporate website dated 2022. Without specific checking, I sense some of the sources could be consolidated, so will refer to WG at Dole to guide on how these can be represented. Zefr (talk) 00:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)Reply


@Zefr: thank you for making those updates to the lead! I agree that your changes do a good job of summarizing the article with up-to-date information. As for consolidating the sources, I think the easiest way would be to use the SEC Form 20-F. I've seen lots of SEC forms used on Wikipedia for basic information and reporting requirements for this sort of report are strict, so hopefully it can be used to support this lead more.
The SEC form includes such information as:
  • 38,500 employees (p. 25)
  • more than 300 products (p. 28)
  • Distribution in more than 75 countries (p.28; lead currently says 90, though I have not been able to locate a recent source that says the same)
  • Net revenue of $6.45bn in 2021 (p.38)
  • Approximately 250 global facilities (p.24)
  • 13 ships (p.24)
  • 114,000 acres of land (p. 24; lead currently says 109,000 which is production acreage, but Dole actually owns slightly more)
  • Four segments of business operations (p. 25), though this does not show the revenue percentage the segments account for as the Dole website does.
There's also a small tweak I'd like to make about Dole Ocean Cargo Express. The 13 ships aren't operated by Dole Ocean Cargo Express. Rather, Dole Ocean Cargo Express fills the ships with third-party cargo that is going to Latin America, and Dole Tropical Products loads the ships with produce coming to the US and EU. Sourcing is pretty limited on this, unfortunately. The best source I could find on it is this one from the Laker/Lutz News, though that article refers to the produce division as "Dole Fresh Fruits." Could we update the lead to reflect that? I have a suggestion below.
I'd also note that I don't think it's accurate to say that Dole is an American-Irish company. After the merger with Total Produce last year, the company's main headquarters moved to Ireland, and though it got its start in and maintains a presence in the United States, including a headquarters in North Carolina, the company is now wholly Irish in terms of its incorporation as Dole plc. Most sources refer to the company now as an Irish or Ireland-based company, like Bloomberg ("The Dublin-based company, created through a merger between Dole Food Co. and its Irish peer Total Produce"); Irish Times("as peers of the new Irish company being listed have seen their share price decline in recent weeks."); and the Charlotte Business Journal ("The company to be created, Dole plc, will keep its global headquarters in Dublin and its headquarters for the Americas in Charlotte.")
As a final note on the introduction, while it's true that there are Dole-branded juices produced by Pepsico, I'm wondering if that information isn't more appropriate in the Itochu article as that is part of the Dole Packaged Foods division sold to Itochu about a decade ago.
So, with all that in mind, a source-condensed version of the lead might look something like this:
Please let me know what you think! I'm happy to leave the Operations section where it is, but there are still a couple of things in it I would like to update based on the lead and sourcing (for example, the Headquarters is largely out of date and irrelevant now). I'll make a different post about that once the lead is buttoned up though just so this doesn't get too long. Thanks for your attention on this Zefr! WG at Dole (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
WG - I used most of your draft, retaining the Yahoo source as easier to navigate for the typical user and the Pepsi collaboration for beverage product identity. Zefr (talk) 23:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: That looks good to me. Thanks for all the attention you've paid to this. WG at Dole (talk) 22:47, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

History update

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Hello editors, I've got another request to make, this time for the History section. I understand that Dole has a complex history, but I believe in my draft, which can be found here, I have captured the nuance of that history and added some important missing information since the merger with Total Produce.

Because the History section is so long in my draft, I'll make my requests in smaller chunks that are hopefully a bit easier to digest.

In general, my thoughts are to organize the section by major milestone periods, essentially "Early history," "Growth" and "Modern day," though I know that Wikipedia likes to see a bit more specificity, so I've added years to the section headers.

All that in mind, I'd like to propose the creation of a new subsection in the History section that details how Dole traces its early history, something like this:

Please let me know what you think! @Zefr:, you've been so kind in reviewing my past requests, would you consider reviewing this one as well? I'd really appreciate it! WG at Dole (talk) 22:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

I used the whole history draft, with some copyediting, to replace the History section with this edit. I checked most of the sources, which appear to be fine, but these can be further reviewed by other editors, as needed. Zefr (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: wow, thank you so much for making that big change. I hope reviewing editors will find that the sourcing is pretty rock solid throughout. I tried very hard to stick to mainstream news sources and books.
I did have just one tiny note – in the 2000-present section, you had made a small edit that removed the year of Dole's sale of Lanai to Larry Ellison. That changed some of the timing phrasing of the sale of Dole Packaged Foods to Itochu and the company going private. My small suggestion is to change the year of the Itochu sale to 2012, as confirmed by this Reuters article. Could you change the start of that sentence to "In 2012, Dole sold its packaged food…"? That will clear up a timeline issue later.
I was also wondering if you'd consider removing the image captioned "Dole pineapples (Philippines)". Though they do bear the Dole brand, those were, at that point, Itochu pineapples, not Dole plc pineapples. Please let me know, and thank you again for reviewing that big section! WG at Dole (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
1) I edited the pineapple image caption to say that the pineapples are "Dole-branded", mainly because pineapples are the most familiar and longest-existing fruit brand of Dole (unsourced, but safe to conclude this). Upon both the Itochu and Total Produce deals, the Dole brand was retained for fresh and canned pineapples, so I assumed this was a safe way to identify the image. 2) Although the Itochu deal was announced in the fall of 2012, it did not conclude until April, 2013, which I felt justified in leading the paragraph with "In 2012-13". 3) I believe the sale of Lanai was not actually a Dole deal, but rather one by Murdock (in an undefined combination of personal financing with Castle & Cooke resources), reported here. Mentioning the sale as part of the Itochu deal and refinancing seems outside of the scope of the Dole article, even though it was likely (never described in detail) part of the financing integration and debt resolution between Murdock-C&C-Dole to close with Itochu. Zefr (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: Good catch on that! I must have grabbed the wrong source from my draft. I think your edit on the image caption makes sense, thank you for doing that.
I am more than happy to exclude the bit about the sale of Lanai. It does create a weird issue with the sentence "Murdock also took Dole private again that year." Just for the sake of clarity, can you change that to "Murdock also took Dole private again in 2013"? WG at Dole (talk) 16:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
Hopefully clarified with this edit. Zefr (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

The food safety section is mostly out of date with prior contamination outbreaks any fresh food company would face, and with no balance of positive measures required by the USDA, FDA, and industry quality assurance associations, such as in California where Dole produce is grown. Independent QA sources will be needed to support a more balanced presentation of food safety. Zefr (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Zefr: Thank you, that edit is great, and much better than what I had. I agree with you that the Food safety section could use some work. I will make a separate request for that just to keep everything organized. Thanks for your attention on this. WG at Dole (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Food safety

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Hi editors, as Zefr noted, the Food safety section is a bit dated and imbalanced. I drafted a new version of the section that condenses the content, removes some things that use low-quality sourcing (I believe the general rule of thumb is to use the green sources on the reliable sources list for potentially controversial content, right?), and mentions some of the proactive steps Dole took in response to potential outbreaks. I'll post that below.

I spent a significant amount of time searching for content about the food safety steps taken in those green sources, but unfortunately came up with very little. The best thing I have other than some passing mentions of voluntary recalls, which I included in the draft section below, about Dole's efforts to improve food safety internally come from the company's Corporate Responsibility and Sustainability report. The planned efforts are on page 35 and include a strengthening of hygiene standards and use of blockchain product tagging to track potentially problematic produce. Sorry I don't have much that is better than that! I am trying to be extra mindful of my COI, so I am really focusing on those green sources in the reliable sources listand have not included that content. I'll defer to other editors on it.

Zefr, please let me know what you think of this new section. It brings the Products subsection down from Operations, which I think helps with balancing the headings of the sections a bit more, and adds a little content from the lead, but I'm certainly open to other ideas! It also adds a photo of some fresh-cut pineapple that I found on the Commons that is just a good photo. WG at Dole (talk) 22:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

In this edit, I used most of WG's text and sources to revamp the Products and Food safety sections. Additional independent sources for Dole's safety practices would be useful. Zefr (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: Thank you for your attention there. I appreciate the way you added balance to the section with the additional mentions of some of Dole' safety programs. If I come across any other independent sources about Dole's food safety work, I'll be sure to let you know. WG at Dole (talk) 20:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Criticism and controversies section

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Hello editors, I've got a bit of a tricky request here but I think it makes sense based on Wikipedia policy and general redundancy. I'd like to request the removal of the Criticism and controversies section. The essence of that section has been redistributed in the History section with Zefr's updates, and done so in a way that is more complete and uses better quality sourcing.

I believe that Wikipedia policy also supports this position. The NPOV guidelines note that "Segregation of text or other content into different regions or subsections, based solely on the apparent POV of the content itself, may result in an unencyclopedic structure," which I think has happened here. The essay on criticism in articles also notes that, "Often the best approach to incorporating negative criticism into the encyclopedia is to integrate it into the article, in a way that does not disrupt the article's flow". I believe that has been accomplished with the reworked History section.

Specific items now covered by the History section include:

  • DBCP lawsuits
  • Wrongful death suit (with the update that the suit was dismissed with prejudice)
  • Frederik Gertten documentaries

That does leave a fair bit of content to cut:

  • The content under the Legal cases subheading isn't sourced, and the article linked only links back to the legal case and the case in a book of other legal cases about trade law, so I'm not sure that really qualifies as significant enough to warrant inclusion. However, I am more than happy to defer to other editors and ask that it simply be moved to the appropriate part of the History section if editors feel that is more appropriate.
  • By the time Oxfam made its demands, Dole's Asian fresh produce operations had transferred to Itochu, so that sentence is not relevant to this article.
  • The government of Myanmar's blacklisting was of an Itochu subsidiary, not Dole Food Company or Dole plc, as by that time Dole's Asian operations had been sold to Itochu, so that paragraph is not relevant to this article.
  • I searched for the source of the sentence in the Labeling of genetically engineered foods in California subsection and could not find a version that named Dole as a donor to the political campaign. Perhaps that used to exist, but I even went on archive.org and the oldest snapshot of that article does not mention Dole anywhere. I could not find any other reliable sources that made mention of that donation, so I'd argue that content should be removed for being unsourced.

I thought I'd make all the arguments at once so they can be judged together, but I'm happy to discuss each item individually if editors prefer. Please let me know what you think and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. As always, I won't make any edits myself because of my conflict of interest. WG at Dole (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

No topic in this section pertains to Dole plc operations. I agree the entire section should be removed. Zefr (talk) 04:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)Reply


@Zefr: Thank you for your help with this! WG at Dole (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Marketing section

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Hello editors, I had another request to make of the article. Some content that has now been removed dealt with some of Dole's marketing campaigns over the years. I think some of those (and some different ones) are notable enough to warrant inclusion in this article, specifically Dole's collaboration with Georgia O'Keeffe in the early 20th century, the development of 5 A Day Adventures in the early 1990s, and Dole's collaboration with Disney, plus a small smattering of others. I have a suggestion for a Marketing section below. I've done my best to stick to only the best sources with it and tried to keep the prose as neutral as possible. Please let me know what you think!

It will look like there are some citation errors, but those citations are defined in the main article. Zefr, would you have any interest in taking a look at this request? I'd really appreciate it! WG at Dole (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

In this edit, I used part of the proposed draft as more history than relevant to current marketing, and selected the existing major partnership arrangements to highlight in a "Comarketing" subsection under Products. I felt some of the proposed marketing efforts were out of date or not relevant to the 2022 Dole products and marketing. Zefr (talk) 16:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr: I can understand where you are coming from. I wanted to be thorough and let the volunteers decide. Thanks for your attention here.
One thing I would like to note, though, is that the agreements with Disney and Pepsico (I'd note again that the Pepsico deal is with Itochu, not Dole plc) are licensure deals, not co-marketing. Would you consider changing that phrasing to improve the accuracy in that section? WG at Dole (talk) 18:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
 Done - thanks for clarifying. Zefr (talk) 19:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! WG at Dole (talk) 19:17, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Sustainability and philanthropy

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Hello editors, I've got another request to add content to the article. I suggest adding small sections on Dole's sustainability and philanthropy efforts. I've done my best to stick to reliable sources, and included one primary source for a basic statement of fact. I suggest something a bit like the following:

Please let me know what you think! I will not make this edit myself due to my COI. @Zefr: I really appreciate all the work you've done on this article and responding to my requests. Would you consider reviewing this one as well? I'd appreciate it! WG at Dole (talk) 19:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

With respect, WG, the 2013-14 efforts do not apply to the new plc company, and the food donations and sustainability commitment seem nominal in the industry (Del Monte, Chiquita), and would have an air of promotion if used. I'll watch to see how other editors respond. Zefr (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
I agree with @Zefr, the 2013-14 efforts were credited to the Dole Food Company (the old US corporation) and not the plc (fka Total Produce) so i think that they should not be added. The general tone of this request is also too promotional to me. Quetstar (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Zefr and Quetstar: thanks for your responses. Just to be clear, Dole Food Company is what became Dole plc, and so the Port of San Diego and salad bar initiatives very much apply to the plc company. However, I hear what you are saying about the potential to sound promotional and so I will leave it there. Thanks again to you both for the time you spent to review these requests, and Zefr, thanks for all your help here and willingness to review long chunks of text! It was a pleasure. WG at Dole (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

Add a criticism or controversy section

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Hearing about how Dole used gangs down in South America to enforce their “growing” operations and other controversies related to the brand would be terrific for this page. Wiscipidier (talk) 20:07, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This was discussed above in 2022, but there were no reliable sources within the recent past to support any change to the article. Zefr (talk) 20:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I strongly believe that this article needs a separate Criticism and Controversies section, to aid readers in quickly navigating to, and reading about the company's negative practices. By "hiding" it in the history of the company under the guise of comprehensiveness, I think we have muddied the accessibility of key information. Additionally, I find the lack of thorough research / writing of this article a little surprising. For example, a similar section in a competing brand's page clearly mentions Dole, but somehow is not a section in this article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiquita#Payments_to_terrorist_groups 2603:7000:4DF0:900:9D5E:FD3C:2AD6:CA94 (talk) 02:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
You would need to propose wording for the evidence of "negative practices" with WP:RS source(s) for other editors to review and discuss per WP:CON. Zefr (talk) 03:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Neutrality

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How is there no mention of Dole‘s work with the Contras against the Sadinist government?

Is Barricada International (specifically from the 8th of November 1982, page 12) counted as a untrustworthy source? ~2025-38095-58 (talk) 23:30, 2 December 2025 (UTC)Reply