Talk:Cupbearer

Note: this article was originally adapted from an article in the 1915 International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, which is now in the public domain -- The Anome 13:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit Fail?

"The position placed his life on the line every day yet gave Nehemiah authority and high pay. , and was held in high esteem by him, as the record shows." What is this supposed to say? 71.206.217.214 (talk) 17:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Hieroglyph

Could somebody please tell me the source of the hieroglyph image? I have been unable to locate any source indicating the A9 was the symbol for "cupbearer." Please help me identify the source of this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.40.239.83 (talk) 05:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Cześnik

Cześnik is the Romanian cup-bearer. The article is a short and not unique. I propose merging into its "parent" article. gidonb (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Pinkernes

A pinkernes was a Byzantine cup-bearer. Cup-bearer contains this important chapter, however it is empty with just a message to look elsewhere for information. Annoying for the reader and no need for this, as the pinkernes article is short and the cup-bearer article isn't particularly long either. gidonb (talk) 11:52, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Oppose the Byzantine title is a very specific iteration of this court function. It has a clear scope, and can (and will some day) be augmented by a list of holders etc., therefore it should remain as a separate article. Wikipedia is full of country-specific instances of generic titles/functions. Constantine ✍ 13:03, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 9 April 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Agent 007 (talk) 19:47, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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Cup-bearer → Cupbearer – I propose moving this page to "cupbearer". This is the standard spelling in modern English (both U.S. and UK), as seen in Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, American Heritage, Collins English Dictionary and Webster's New World Dictionary, all of which do not even give cup-bearer as an alternative. This is also the spelling used in Wiktionary. (The OED uses cup-bearer, but it should be noted that the OED marks it as: "This entry has not yet been fully revised"—and the OED is known for its propensity for outdated spellings and usage.) The Google Books Ngram Viewer also shows that cupbearer has been more common since the 1940s, and as of 2000 it is more than three times as common. Since the article focuses a lot on biblical usage, I'll also point out that all modern English Bible translations I checked used the spelling cupbearer: ASB, ESV, ESV UK, Holman, NASB, NET, NIV, NIV UK, NKJV, NRSV, RSV, etc. I'm not proposing to delete "cup-bearer" as a redirect, of course, just to use the more common spelling for the article. — the Man in Question (in question) 22:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support. I agree cupbearer is more common. Another ngrams view: . Adumbrativus (talk) 02:22, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nom's thorough presentation of usage in a variety of sources. I checked a couple sources out of curiosity. Dictionary.com also supports this and Longman Dictionary has no entry for this. Neither Britannica nor the Columbia Encyclopedia have articles on the topic but both use cupbearer consistently when the word appears in other articles. (Note: Wiki won't let me link to the Britannica search query but it's easy enough to search for yourself.) —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 23:46, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.