Talk:Colossus (character)

Ultimate Colossus Power level

I really don't think Ultimate Colossus could survive in the sun and think it's silly to put that unless it really happens. And I don't think it is necessary or accurate to say only Hulk can match his strength. Just state his powers, you don't have to brag about him. Also saying he can survive a nuke is misleading, when it was just an arrow from Hawkeye. If you say 'nuke' people will think the city killer type of nuke, not a small arrow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.38.63 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 15 February 2006

When creating a new page, how do you bring up the box beside the contents with the pic, and other simple info like author, realatives, ext —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soujaboy (talk • contribs) 07:18, 15 February 2006

Colossus had been able to negate the effects of magic i.e. the INFERNO crossover issues and previous issues before that!?!

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The small arrow had the power of a nuke. And notice that it did not hurt him, it merely knocked him out. Also, he was able to smack Thor around like a doll, despite that Thor is nearly at the Hulk's strength. I think it is debatable that Colossus maybe as strong as the Hulk

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Hi. I added mention of Colossus' not needing food in his armored form. IMHO it's a stupid plot device, but it was used in the X-Cutioner's song. If anyone remembers the exact issue, feel free to add it. It's the one where Caliban (as War, or was it Death?) and a few other horsemen of 'pokie's attack Jean and Scott at Harry's. I think it was Kubert-drawn, so I guess that should have been some issue of Uncanny? -- Uliwitness

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"More recently, due to the popularity of the X-men franchise and the need of fans to consider every favorite character as being maximally powered, Colossus was retconned to a greater strength class. In his armored form, Colossus possesses superhuman strength which allows him to press over 100 tons (as stated by somewhat biased The Ultimate Guide to the X-Men)"

-This seems like a very subjective thing to write. Is there any corroboration for this? And is there any justification for stating that the Ultimate Guide to the X-Men is "somewhat biased"? Isn't this an official publication?Sadaharuo 18:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Strength

OK, rather than using OHOTMU sources, who has Colossus been shown to be equal/greater to in a fight, strength wise? Guys like Gladiator, the Thing, etc. The numbers are pretty meaningless on their own -- what really matters in comics is, "Can Colossus beat the Hulk in a fight?" -- HKMARKS 00:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Colossus lost to Gladiator (class 100+) on the moon during the trial by combat for the life of Phoenix. He has always been able to smack Sasquatch (class 75) around, but was never able to definitively hang with Juggernaut (class 100+) before juggs got depowered (that I know of). He has always handled the Blob without real difficulty (class 70) and Ord was helpless against him. He recently took on the whole Hellions squad by himself in a Danger Room exercise and whupped them without even breaking a sweat. Rockslide is their bruiser and he is class 50. Marvel doesn't consider anybody to be stronger than the Hulk, so I wouldn't even go there. Ultimate guide to the X-men has Colossus as class 100, as well as OHOTMU. Nobody likes these sources, but Colossus is their product, so as far as I am concerned, they make the rules. He definately performs consistently well against opponents in the class 90-100 range. Scrapper 22:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)Scrapper

Thanks! That should give a good feel for his strength. I've added it to the article. -HKMARKS 01:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Can we get issues where he's fought these characters? It'd be more informative and closer to out-of-universe then. --Newt ΨΦ 02:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

He lost to Gladiator not because of strength, just due to Gladiator's near-infinite durability. Plus, he has been declared a class 100 mutant, and all class 100 means is that he can lift in excess of 100 tons. certain class 100 strength beings are stronger than others.

Who wins between collosus and the champion, i'm presuming the champoin won but i just wanna make sure. Also spiderman rules.

This information was removed from the article by anon user 75.19.36.166 (talk · contribs). Why? //\\// As for issues, I don't know off hand... Gladiator of course must have been during the Dark Phoenix saga; He fought the Hellions in a very recent issue of New X-Men, after M-Day but before Nimrod. --HKMARKS 01:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't tell you why it was deleted, however, I don't think we need that many comparisons. Maybe a notable powerhouse he can beat and one he can't, along with the issues that depict it for WP:V and helping keep it out-of-universe and fair use --Newt ΨΦ 04:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, even in comic books, a character's physical strength doesn't necessarily determine the outcome of a fight. There are numerous examples of characters beating opponents that dwarf them in terms of physical strength. Take Wolverine for example, writers have shown the character has defeated and held his own with vastly stronger opponents time and time again because of a combination of his fighting skills, agility, reflexes, and the sheer ability to absorb and shrug off punishment afforded him via his mutant healing factor and Adamantium enhancements. I believe that it's something natural to sort of equate the winner of a fight, or how someone performs during a fight, with some level of physical strength. In some cases it's true, but not all the time. Hence, trying to measure how strong a character is based on who he/she fights, which many fans have a tendency to do, is severely flawed. Strength is simply how much weight a character can lift or move and superior strength doesn't always equal victory. Odin's Beard 00:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

If people want to get a clear picture of Colossus' abilities i agree, its hard. I think though, to be honest, he is slightly above the thing in terms of strength and durability. In Astonishing since his return he has fought Ord (who defeated the rest of the x-men easily), taken a blast from a damaged sentinel full on without being even knocked back. He took several blasts from the security lasers of the danger room (which were of shiar design, and were probably designed to keep all but the strongest beings out) before being knocked back out of the danger room's circuitry. If we can assume that since his return he is more powerful, and weigh it against what he was capable of before he died, i think the picture becomes a little clearer. (My apologies for not signing before, my bad) Pr1983 22:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I would agree that Colossus' physical capabilites are above those of the Thing, even prior to his return to the X-Men comics. If I'm not too badly mistaken, the original OHOTMU stated that Colossus' stamina and invulnerability wer at higher superhuman levels than those of the Thing. I believe that Colossus was portrayed as a teenager when first created, in his late teens, and the OHOTMU stated he could lift roughly 70 tons but that his strength would increase as he matured. During the Secret War mini-series, Colossus was shown to catch an aircraft containing most of the other heroes brought onto the planet by the Beyonder after it lost power. The aircraft itself looked to be about the size of the Blackbird, which I remember reading years back was written weighing 145,000 pounds, or 72.5 tons to be exact. He was also injured while catching and supporting the plane long enough for the heroes to exit, he was hit across the ribs via the Wrecker and his enchanted crobar. I always found that a bit odd since the character has withstood vastly harder and more powerful blows from a variety of sources. But, maybe since Colossus wasn't really a hugely established character at the time had something to do with it. However, his strength still pales in comparisson to the likes of the Hulk, Thor, and the Juggernaut, at least before the Juggernaut was depowered. Odin's Beard 03:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Although he is stated in the manual (and several others i might add) that he is fully capable of engaging Juggernaut in hand-to-hand combat. I think it is fair to say that he is a class 100 mutant. Also, i believe he was recently stated to have incalculable strength. And notice, it wasn't that he was weaker than Gladiator, it's just that Gladiator has nearly infinite durability. Besides, all a class 100 mutant means is that they are capable of lifting in excess of 100 tons. There are certain class 100 beings who are stronger than other class 100 beings.

Pure physical strenght doesn't always determine a victor in a fight, take spiderman for example. He has fought charecters of strength that dwarf his own e.g. juggernaut, venom(although he's stronger now), carnage(although he's stronger now), hulk, iron man etc. And he's either survived or won, because of his superior speed, adgility, stamina, durability and spider sense.

6´6" is 198 cm (198,12), not 200 cm. 1 ft is 30,48 cm, not 30 cm and 7´5" is 226 cm (226,06 cm), not 230 cm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.241.193 (talk) 11:52, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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Alternative versions of Colossus

The link to "Alternative versions of Colossus" redirects to this main entry. I couldn't find a Wikipedia page for "Alternative versions of Colossus". No idea where to find it. Please, fix all this. Thank you! - 2804:14C:5B84:815F:AD4D:C423:985E:A07E (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)