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Latest comment: 2 months ago3 comments3 people in discussion
Hi all
If you google this: "coal tit wiki" and look at images, the second hit is a Great tit, with caption "Coal tit - Wikipedia".
It seems that the Great tit image, although of interest about the historical confusion between the species, has too much prominence and is likely causing confusion now.
I suggest removing the Great tit image entirely, and just describe the issue and maintain the link to the Great tit article.
Oh G*d! Brilliant spot. My first reaction = "tough ****, this has nothing to do with us" ... followed by "aargh, it's awful, we must fix it!" In other words, it is a stupid problem but a real one, and as we can't fix Google's foolishnesss, Wikibrumblue is probably right and we should fix it from our end in order to Do The Right Thing by grillions of people Out There. It's annoying but yes! What do others think? DBaK (talk) 20:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
It's caused by this discussion of confusion over names in German, with associated Great Tit photo; I've moved it here, as although fascinating, it's not relevant to English wikipedia:
Gessner also notes that the coal tit was known as Kohlmeiß in German – the literal equivalent of its English name, though in its modern orthographyKohlmeise it refers to the great tit (Parus major). In Gessner's time, that bird was usually called Spiegelmeiß ("multicoloured tit"[1]), Brandtmeiß ("burnt tit") or grosse Meiß ("great tit") in German. Kölmeyß was attested for P. major by William Turner, but Turner does not list P. ater at all, while Gessner notes that his hunters always used Kohlmeiß for the present species. However, this has since changed, and the modern German name of P. ater is Tannenmeise ("fir tit"), after a typical habitat. This name is attested (as Tannen-Maise) by Johann Leonhard Frisch in the early 18th century already, who furthermore records that P. ater was also called Kleine Kohl-Maise ("small coal tit") whereas Kohl-Maise referred unequivocally to P. major. Frisch collected his data in the Berlin region, where the German dialect was quite different from that spoken by Gessner's Alemannic sources 200 years earlier, and heavily influenced by Middle Low German – the language of the northern German sources of Turner. Regarding that, Tanne is derived from the Old Saxondanna, and thus had spread through the German dialect continuum from north to south.[2]
As the Great Tit photo was the top photo outside of the taxobox, it was the one that turned up on a google search for Coal Tit. That should solve the problem now (as of when google next trawls the page) - MPF (talk) 13:32, 11 April 2026 (UTC)Reply
↑Literally "mirror tit"),although its feathers are not iridescent. Perhaps a more accurate translation would be "wing-stripe tit", as in German ornithologySpiegel means a wing-stripe or -patch. The interpretation referring to its colourful plumage, though somewhat unusual, is the one given by Gesner however: a colorum pulchritudine quibus distinguitur – "for the beauty of its colors, which distinguish it"
