Talk:Cheesecake/Archive 1

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Wikipedia being a worldwide resource, I added metric equivalents for everything. Also corrected the spelling of the Polish cherry cordial--it's Wisniak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkocz (talk • contribs) 18:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I edited the paragraph about "cracking" revising the sentences and adding new tips based on an old family prctice of cooling the cheesecake in the oven once it is turned off. I also added common practices for covering the cracks. Steph102 02:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Steph102

I deleted the incoherent "Trivia" section about Al Terzi. Said section consisted of one paragraph, of which was the following:

"Cheesecake was actually a Supreme Court case in 1997. Al Terzi's case of the oxymoron cake would not only jump from his state court in Montana, but actually made it to the supreme court. However after the second court session the case was overruled. The term 'cheese cake' was considered to be too oftenly used and had American Heritage to it. Terzi's new name19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)74.93.226.77 (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)qowejewurhiweukiwhfnehfn had he won the case was to call it 'Cream Cheese Pie' and/or 'Tart Cheese Pie.' Terzi has yet to appeal his case to court again."

That paragraph doesn't make coherent sense. I did a Google search on *cheesecake AND "Al Terzi"*, and on *"Al Terzi" AND "Supreme Court" AND cheesecake*, to see if I could find the details which this paragraph is referring to, in order to get more information so as to be able to clarify the text and make it coherent, but all I could find was a link back to the Wikipedia cheesecake article, a bunch of irrelevant cheesecake recipes at http://www.wfsb.com , and a small number of links with more irrelevant data. I could find nothing about Al Terzi and a Supreme Court case dealing with cheesecake. 209.208.77.152 08:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

--Thephotoman 03:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Is cheesecake a cake, tart, pastry or pie? I would argue that it is a cake, as it has the general properties of a cake. It is also classified as a cake in the Fanny Farmer cookbook (by Marrion Cunningham), which is a classic.

I would say that a cheesecake is a cake, simply by its name. But it is difficult to try to classify recipes such as these into distinct groups. - Mark 01:33, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It actually is closer to resembling a custard pie, I think.

--24.0.39.17 20:44, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, to quote from our own cake article:

A cake is a form of baked food, usually sweet. Cakes normally combine some kind of flour...

A cheesecake isn't baked, and it doesn't contain flour. So yes, it's called a cake, but I think that's a bit of a misnomer. If there's serious disagreement over this, perhaps it would be best to simply call it a "dessert". --Camembert

A cheesecake is cooked in an oven, is'nt this what baked means?

Not all cheesecakes are baked in an oven. The kind I am familiar with is not. --Camembert 01:34, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Haha I can't see an edit war over cheesecake. :-D - Mark 01:36, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I agree with Cam. "Dessert" is best. --Merovingian ↕ Talk 01:37, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

I concur on dessert, but would like to assert that [1] some cheesecakes contain at least a nominal amount of flour, and [2] few cakes have piecrusts. - Nunh-huh 01:40, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

And now I'll add the somewhat pointless observation that Boston Cream Pie is a cake... -- Nunh-huh 01:38, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps the difficulty arose because Camembert isn't familiar with the heavy cake-like baked cheesecakes made in Chicago and New York. It is certainly hard to consider the light (runny) uncooked cheesecakes as "cakes". So dessert best includes both kinds. Rmhermen 17:04, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)

(Bit late) - You're right, I'm not familiar with those kinds of cheesecake (I'm British, which might explain it). "Dessert" seems OK for most people, so that's OK. --Camembert 16:29, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This is a cake in popular nomenclature because of the constant use of the term and is in fact more like an egg custard. Other languages do not call it a cheese"cake" per se. --Rakista 01:18, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

personally i call it cheesecake pie

Cake pie? What is this, the stone ages? Jesus. I've heard stupid names for cheesecake in the past, but this one takes the cake pie!

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New Yorkers don't claim paternity over cheesecake, merely that the best cheesecake, both Italian or Jewish, are made here. That Roman cookbook is by Apicius. A Roman cheesecake recipe? Well, some read a hamburger recipe into Apicius too... Wetman 02:03, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

This page has nothing to do with beefcake. The fact that beefcake is a word play on 'cheesecake' does not make it relevant to this article. - James Foster 02:25, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pinup pictures

It is a fact that for many decades, pinup pictures of "scantily clad" females, to use the hackneyed phrase, have been called "cheesecake". History of Pinup Cheesecake. By analogy, pictures of male "hunks" displaying a similar amount of semi-nudity or implied nudity are "beefcake". YTHFG%^EDTRFGH$ECTRFYGH^%EDYFGT^&RYTFYGH&DTFG Since the page has only one word in the title, it will need to either contain disambiguation text or become a disambiguation page that directs to Cheesecake (dessert) and Cheesecake (pinups). Sorry, User talk:James Foster, but that is the only approach that makes sense. Hu 03:51, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)

I'll move the page and add a disambiguation page. Thanks! James Foster 07:29, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Sorry, this page should be moved back to Cheesecake with a link at the top to Cheesecake (disambiguation) to handle the relation to Cheesecake (pin-up). The dessert usage is far more prevalent. -- Solipsist 05:48, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• • Agree. No objection. Cheesecake refering to pin-up girls, is better suited for Wiktionary. Sure, it's a slang term, and it redirects to an article entitled "Pin-up girl" but it's not an encyclopedia article. —ExplorerCDT 17:55, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

History

I just removed the following:

The origins of cheesecake goes back to ancient Greece, where it was served to athletes during the first Olympic Games in 776 BC. The Romans spread cheesecake from Greece to across Europe. Centuries later cheesecake appeared in America, due to recipes brought over by immigrants.

This is complete bs. It was copied over word for word from an article at about.com. If anyone wants to give a valid reference on the history of cheesecake, go right ahead.

In the US, the term "cheesecake" does not mean "a cake made out of cheese"; it's a specific baked dessert made out of cream (or similar) cheese. If there is some other international meaning of the word, feel free to add it, but be sure to make the distinction. To say "the Greeks invented cheesecake" is nonsense to the American reader, whereas "the Greeks were the first to make desserts out of cheese" isn't. --Sean Kelly 19:24, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The historical description is incomplete, here a bad translation of parts of the german Wikipedia article:

Für das Mittelalter fehlen entsprechende Belege. Das älteste moderne Käsekuchenrezept stammt aus dem Kochbuch Le Viandier des französischen Kochs Taillevent Ende des 14. Jahrhunderts. Das älteste deutschsprachige Rezept für diesen Kuchen enthält das Kochbuch von Anna Wecker aus dem Jahr 1598. Als Zutaten gibt sie neben Quark Eier, Zucker, Butter und Zimt an.

About the middle age there are no sources of recipes left. The oldest modern recipe is included in the cookbook Le Viandier of the french cook Guillaume Tirel at the end of the 14th century. The oldest german recipe of cheescake is included in the cookbook from Anna Wecker from the year 1598. As ingriedents she mentioned quark, eggs, sugar, butter and cinnamon.

I think this informations are worth to mention in the history section, perhaps some native speaker could rewrite it in a proper way and insert it in the article. Thank you very much. --Wohingenau (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Famous places to get cheesecake

Someone (presumably from Boston) took out the reference to Junior's in Brooklyn and replaced it with Boston. As far as I know, Junior's is a more well known place to get cheesecake than the entire city of Boston. If you want to add another famous source of cheesecake, go right ahead. But linking to Junior's is not spam; just ask any New Yorker. —Sean κ. + 03:48, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry about that. Two different incidents can form a conspiracy. I removed the reference to Junior's because the user who originally added it had worded it as spam, and was also the creator of the Junior's article itself. Another person vouching for it is more than enough. Then someone else came along and added Boston. (Who's ever heard of Boston-style cheesecake? Google hasn't.) I have got to register one of these days. 24.4.199.243 00:07, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

please someone place correct information it would help alot to know what is not bs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.19.150 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

As a pastry chef

I added the types of Cheesecakes that I have baked or have direct knowledge of and a short history of each. I also changed "American-style" cheesecakes to "New York-style" cheesecakes in the comment about Junior's as it does not make sense in context of the new delineation I have offered.--Rakista 19:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I am really confused

It said this page was going to have evidence about why I was preminantly blocked from editing, but it's cheesecake instead, why was I blocked because of cheesecake? Please tell me--Archive13 23:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

The above message relates to a misunderstanding caused by a vandal. See here for more information. Thanks. --Canderson7 00:08, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Cheesecake funny on LiveJournal

According to dee_emm of LiveJournal, there was a resturaunt that had the Chinese for "cheesecake" translated as Wikipedia.

Thought y'all ought to know. --Thephotoman 03:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

the POV of a French

le cheesecake c'est le fromage et le dessert à la fois. --Jerome Potts 04:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Photos

http://www.vinoviosgourmetcheesecakes.com/750_500_csupload_55799810.jpg?u=721814833 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinovio (talk • contribs) 01:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

A better photo of a sliced through cheesecake is needed, if anyone has one to submit please do so.

Thank-you.

I also think there should be more pictures for reference. Thank You. http://www.vinoviosgourmetcheesecakes.com/Cake-Eater-.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinovio (talk • contribs) 01:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

There seems to be a lot of vandalism recently and subsequently a lot of reverting. Something should be done about the perpetrator. 165.230.46.142 20:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Just today I deleted this: "It a Pie deal with it Chad Pressly Roberts." --205.201.141.146 20:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• as a policy, you shouldn't repeat (even in talk) vandalism; it's best to simply reference it by the vandal or the date. -Superbeecat 18:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Fried Cheesecake

Anythoughts on adding Fried Cheesecake? , though, I cannot find a picture at the moment. Thanks, CarpD 4/25/07.

Pie

Not to bring up an old battle, but it is absolutely well established that, culinarily speaking, cheesecake is a (custard) pie. It is a baked filled crust as opposed to a chemically risen flour-based desert. When cookbooks list cheesecake under the cake section, it's for the sake of laypersons who, understandably, are confused due to the name. This is the same case as boston cream pie, which is a cake. -Superbeecat 18:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and the article so indicated as of my June 25 edit, which was messed-up by the anonymous edit of June 27; I've now made the correction again, hopefully this time it will stick. Haim Berman 09:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope, it didn't. Today another anonymous edit changed it to "a cake and not a pie." Not having any sources to check the claim against, I've just removed the statement (of whether it's a cake or a pie) altogether. Citing some sources for this, would put the issue to rest. -- Why Not A Duck 00:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The source cited is not a credible source, so please do some research before making claims as facts. Not all cheesecakes fit the description you have applied... Kylesandell 06:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheesecake is not custard pie - it is a type of torte. A torte is a rich cake made with many eggs and often without flour, and will often be layered or encrusted with crumbs of one sort or another, or nuts. Cheesecake is properly made in a springform pan, and if baked properly will not crack, and a water bath should not be necessary. If what you think of as cheesecake is more like a custard pie, then it's not cheesecake. The definition of "cake" is not "a chemically risen flour-based dessert." That's only one type of cake. A torte is not a pie. The link to the opinion page offered as "proof" that cheesecake is a type of custard pie should be removed, or a better choice should be made. Whothehey 04:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

While not all modern definitions of cake specify that it must contain flour, all of them indicate that flour is a persistent ingredient (too many references to cite, but compare 5 or more dictionaries). Looking at the etymology of the word cake, it is derived from Sumerian era (or ironically PIE, if you subscribe to that linguistic theory) usage, which was specifically a flour cake akin to bread, not a dessert. There is no reference nor support for the idea that cheesecake is a type of torte. Tortes are traditionally made with flour (although there are plenty of recipes without flour). Citing that ‘proper’ cheesecake is made with flour and/or a springform pan is disingenuous at best, since these are American and specifically New York modifications to an existing recipe that does not require either.

Looking at the origins of the word pie, we find an original M.L. meaning of enclosing in pastry. Some more modern definitions (entry 2.2) talk about a filling in a pastry shell. This could be easily applied to the crust that is common (but not universal) to cheesecake. This crust then appears to me to be the dividing line between cakes (including tortes) which have none and pies. Does anyone have a reference to cakes that have a crust? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.223.135 (talk) 07:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, I managed to find the following input on this issue buried within the depths of the internet. Unfortunately it doesn't have any reliable source backing it up, but maybe this might lead us somewhere productive?

What separates cake from pie is not how it is presented, but how it is prepared. And, frankly, cheesecake is prepared like a cake. You combined sweeteners with a binding agent (eggs), a liquid (cream), and a fat (butter). A pie is something filled with a base ingredient (or more), though often sweetened and sometimes flavored with spices, but that base is not usually mixed with anything except in the case of custards. Typically pies do not require any sort of binding agent, and many pies don't require any sort of blending.

You cannot easily make a cheesecake in the way you'd make a pie. It will not be much like cheesecake at all once you start taking away the things that make it a cake (eggs, butter, etc.), and doing so gives you a result that is noticably different than a traditional cheesecake. 71.197.214.141 (talk) 20:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A cheesecake is VERY clearly a custard pie, as it is a custard base, baked in a crust. See Good Eats Episode: "The trouble with cheesecake" [] for a transcript and the science behind it. The above editor misunderstands culinary terminology (cream is a liquid, but butter is a fat?). Cheesecake is prepared NOTHING like a cake, it is prepared like a custard, which, again, it is. Custards are not cakes. Putting custard into a crust = custard pie. It's very simple. - superβεεcat  05:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Cake

There is no solid evidence or reliable sources that state that cheesecake is a a pie. Therefore, it is a cake, hence the name. Karekare1 (talk) 16:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that we need sources.

However, the lack of sources that it is a pie, does not mean that it is a cake. Perhaps we can have the compromise text I have inserted until there is an authoritative source? Alice.S 16:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Here: http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season5/Cheesecake/CheesecakeTranscript.htm - superβεεcat  05:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Here: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheesecake/ - superβεεcat  05:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Here: http://everything2.com/title/Cheesecake%2520is%2520pie etc...

External links to recipes

WP:EL states, right at the top: "Wikipedia articles should include links to Web pages outside Wikipedia if they are relevant. Such pages could contain... information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail ... or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to their reliability."

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia written for the benefit of its readers, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, it is inappropriate to include Cheesecake recipes in the main article.

Clearly it is useful to our readers if we could have one great external link to a compendium of cheesecake recipes.

Please would editors] not be WP:POINTy until we find that great link and help preserve the existing (insufficient) links until that happens.

The fundamental encapsulation of our external links policy is that adding external links can be helpful to everyone, but they should be restricted to those that are most meritable, accessible and relevant to the article.

A recipe is a recipe (whether it is on a blog or not) and I do not believe that 4 links is excessive (in the absence of that "one great external link to a compendium"). Alice^✉ 18:47, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ann Arbor cheesecake

Archiving "Ann Arbor style cheesecake" subsection -- 68 hits on google, most referring to the silliness of the style. It also sounds the same as cheesecakes made elsewhere. Janet13 (talk) 23:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

• Ann Arbor-style cheesecake Old World Bakery in Ann Arbor, Michigan, features a graham cracker crust which covers both the bottom and the 8 cm (3 inch) high side of the cheesecake. It is also lighter and creamier in texture than other cheesecakes because of a combined cream cheese and sour cream base. Each cheesecake weighs an average of 2 to 3 kg (4-5 1/2 pounds) depending upon the flavour. It is also common to add liquor flavourings such as Bailey's Irish Cream, Amaretto, Raspberry Chambord, Kahlua, Wisniak cherry cordial, and Vandermint.

To the person who restored the section on A2 style: The only information I can find on this "style" is either derived from WP (e.g. mirrors) or comments about how silly/pretentious it is to describe a local product as "the style". If there are reliable sources that establish the existence of it as a distinct style, then please add those too. I'm removing this again in the meantime. --Jaeger5432 | Talk 15:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Popular Culture

There seems to be some disagreement as to whether National Cheesecake Day (30 July) belongs in this article. I found a lot of web sources for its (unofficial) existence. I guess I could be persuaded that it is not really germane, but it seems at least as relevant as cheesecake consumption in sitcoms. Should we get rid of the entire section? Peter Chastain (talk) 23:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Overgeneralisations

I think there is a little tunnel vision here about what constitutes a cheesecake. The very first sentence reads:

Cheesecake is a dessert formed of a topping made with soft, fresh cheese upon a base made from biscuit, pastry or sponge.

This is certainly the case for most cheesecakes it is not a universal truth. Consider this cake: http://www.open2.net/download/everwonderedfood/cheesecake.pdf that is a single homogeneous layer not separated into topping and base. That is a true cheesecake that follows a regular cake recipe only with cheese (ricotta in this case) substituting for part of the flour. CrispMuncher (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't even make sense

Despite their name, cheesecakes are technically cakes;

Before the article was protected this should have been changed back to pies.

Styles section

What happened to the Styles section? It was there in November, removed for no apparent reason and since then the article seems to lean on the 'baked only' side of the food. Is it worth putting back? Nanonic (talk) 02:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, of course it is. It was removed by a vandal and replaced with vandalism, then someone simply removed the vandalism instead of reverting. --70.246.77.181 (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Lindy's

Is there a reference for []? Gerardw (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I am working on the Lindy's article now and you shall see them appear shortly. "Mindy's" in Guys and Dolls is based on Lindy's In NYC, which author Damon Runyon wrote about frequently. Lindy's in fact is probably one of the most famous cheesecakes places in American history, based on my research so far.--Neighborhoodpalmreader (talk) 18:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be inpatient -- this article just gets lots of "additions" . There's a least a passing reference here [] Gerardw (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I realize now that when you touch upon a "bigger" article, it gets (and should get) quick scrutiny. I have added a very good 1977 NYTimes cite, which quotes the co-author of guys and dolls for this point. There are so many refernces to Lindy's cheesecake out there that it probably merits a more comprehensive mention in this article, but I'll source it before adding further text.--Neighborhoodpalmreader (talk) 18:44, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

for the section where they talk about the different styles of cheese cake in north america, they don't mention california style cheese cake which is baked cheese cake with a thin layer of sour cream frosting. is it not popular enough to mention? i thought that it was one of the main varieties. let me look for some sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.59.140.196 (talk) 06:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

and that was my first time ever discussing an article, so i'm sorry this is attatched to the lindy's part. i was also wondering if anyone could say whether or not all the styles of the different countires are baked or unbaked? what they are topped with is not really my main interest in a style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.59.140.196 (talk) 06:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Good article

Does anyone else think this is almost at good article standards? Maybe if a few more citations were added it would be enough. InverseHypercube (talk) 06:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Lack of good pictures

none of the pictures look particularly appetizing, we really need some pictures of premium cheesecake. (like from the cheesecake factory) I've got a few of a white chocolate raspberry truffle cheesecake if anyone wants to add some. (not sure what the policy is on that, or how to go about doing so)96.232.200.150 (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Order of regions

Why are the regions of the world listed in this order? Should they not be listed alphabetically, i.e. Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, South America? (Or I guess you could put the Americas first, in the order North, South, then Asia). ZackMartin (talk) 12:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Usually, these sections seem to begin as a few facts, with newer information usually going at the bottom, and eventually someone adds in section headings. The result is that the order is often pretty much random until someone else comes along and organizes it. You should feel free to be that "someone else" and boldly improve the organization. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheese pie

Cheese Pie redirects here. I don't understand this at all - cheese pie is completely unrelated to cheesecake, being a hot savoury dish (at least here in the UK). Is this true in other Anglophone regions? --Ef80 (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I think that it you search for "cherry cream cheese pie" at your favorite web search engine, you'll see what the redirect creator was likely thinking about. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean. It isn't a satisfactory state of affairs though - cheese pie should really be a disambig page, with this article as one of the links. I suppose somebody needs to write a stub for (savoury) cheese pie first though. --Ef80 (talk) 21:25, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Torta rustica should be mentioned...and cheese pie is considered savoury in the US.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 21:33, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

British cheese pie isn't well defined but is usually some mixture of mashed potato, onion and cheese with a pastry top. It was one of the standard World War II austerity dishes and is much less common today though it is still made - see http://cheesepie.co.uk/, http://www.wartimehousewife.com/2009/08/cheese-pie/. --Ef80 (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Both look good but I imagine the second to be more British. With the first, I see three Italian cheeses in a traditional Brit pie.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Cato's cheesecake

The article says:

Cato the Elder's De Agri Cultura includes recipes for two cakes for religious uses: libum and placenta.[5][6] Of the two, placenta is most like most modern cheesecakes, having a crust that is separately prepared and baked.[7] It is important to note that though these early forms are called "cheesecakes", they differed greatly in taste and consistency from the cheesecake that we know today.

There are several mistakes and misconceptions in this passage.

1) Cato indeed gives a recipe for placenta, and indeed the cake contains cheese. But first of all, "placenta" does not mean cheesecake, the word simply means a cake. So the first half the last sentence quoted above is pointless.

2) The other part of the sentence is pointless as well, because the recipe for a cheesecake is given by Cato not in section 85 (placenta), but in section 93 (savillum). A cake baked according to this recipe is virtually identical to modern cheesecake, the only exception being, that Cato's recipe suggests to use honey where we'd use sugar (which was not available to Romans). This adds some flavor (characteristic to honey) to the way the cake tastes, but despite this (minor) difference, savillum is, as I said, identical to modern cheesecake. And yes, I tried the recipe myself.

3) Consequently, the entire passage I am quoting above is wrong, because it first misidentifies the placenta recipe as being a cheesecake recipe, then proceeds to "discover" that placenta "differs greatly in taste and consistency" from our modern cheesecakes. Of course it does - because placenta is NOT a cheesecake. The Cato's cheesecake is savillum.

-79.185.196.88 (talk) 12:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Japanese-style cheesecake?

Japan Japanese-style cheesecake relies upon the emulsification of cornstarch and eggs to make a smooth flan-like texture and almost plasticine appearance.

There is no citation for this, and it appears to be fanciful. NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 00:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Netherlands/Belgium style

I propose to change "Netherlands/Belgium style" for "Low Countries-style" to avoid repetition--87.115.255.193 (talk) 19:26, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Contradictions/errors

This sentence from 'History' does not make sense:

'An ancient form of cheesecake may have been a popular dish in ancient Greece even prior to Romans' adoption of it with the conquest of Greece.'

It basically says 'cheesecake was popular in Greece even before Rome got the idea from Greece'. Does anyone know what the intent of the statement is?

This sentence, also from 'History': 'The type of modern cheesecake that has an uncooked, cream-cheese filling on a cookie-crumb base is an American invention that differs greatly from English cheesecakes, which traditionally include dried fruits and spices and are baked in the oven.' implies that english style is baked and does not feature a buscuit base and cream-cheese and american style is unbaked, however everything in the 'National varieties' section contradicts this. Such as here:

'In the United Kingdom and Ireland,, cheesecake is typically made with a base of crushed, buttered biscuits.....The usual filling is a mixture of cream cheese, sugar, and cream[citation needed] and it is not baked, but refrigerated.'

Here:

'The United States has several different recipes for cheesecake and this usually depends on the region in which the cake was baked.....These cheesecakes are typically baked before serving.'

And here:

'New York–style cheesecake......when the cheesecake is cooked. It is mixed with vanilla extract and sugar and replaced in the oven, essentially making the cheesecake twice-baked.

'Cheesecakes represented as being "New York style" are the most common variety in the United States;'

I suspect it is the 'History' section in the wrong but can anyone confirm this? Gehyra Australis (talk) 03:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

I've tagged the article as cotradictory. Gehyra Australis (talk) 04:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that the article as it stands is necessarily contradictory; it might merely be unclearly written. I haven't yet gone through all of the sources for the History section, but I think that what it is trying to say is that early European cheesecakes were baked, and that the idea of an unbaked cheesecake is originally an American one. That doesn't necessarily contradict the statement that today, the unbaked cheesecake is more common in Britain, where baked cheesecakes are referred to as "American-style", that the National varieties section indicates. (It might, of course, simply be wrong, but I'll determine that when I've actually read the sources...) Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've now read the relevant article (Wilson 2002), and it seems that the history stuff is all correct (or, at least, verifiably what the article says). It also seems clear from looking at recipes that "New York style" cheesecake is baked. The idea that set cheesecake is in some way British, is, however, more difficult to find a source for. The only thing I can find is this article, which attributes the idea to wikipedia and hence obviously does not qualify as a reliable source.

More problematic is the fact that it turns out that the final paragraph of the section History ("The type of modern cheesecake that has an uncooked, cream-cheese filling on a cookie-crumb base is an American invention that differs greatly from English cheesecakes, which traditionally include dried fruits and spices and are baked in the oven.") is taken verbatim from the article referenced, but it is not inside quotation marks, which is WP:Plagiarism. As far as I can this was the first introduction of the line. I am fixing it now. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I've removed the tag. 58.167.192.180 (talk) 12:04, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Sugar Content (Historical)

I'll start by rambling: it seems to me that cheesecake I ate 30 to 40 years ago was less sweet than the cheesecakes that I eat (occasionally) today. It would be interesting to me to see any kind of historical data as to typical sugar content (separated by type of cheesecake) over the last 50 years or so. Or, suggestions as to a source of such information.--Rhkramer (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Update: Well obviously one approach would be to calculate the sugar content based on some recipes, some old, some new. If I get ambitious enough I might try that. I might have to bake a cheesecake or two to get a ratio between unbaked and baked weight--I guess I'd be forced to eat those cakes, too--sounds like a great burden. ;-) --Rhkramer (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

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Why can't I edit this page, despite having an account? --Angol Fear (talk) 17:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Typo

The final photo spells 'sauce' as 'source'.

Vatrushka isnt cheesecake

Russian "Vatrushka" its not a variant of cheesecake! Its bun with cottage cheese. Look: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0 or just images - ватрушка But tvorozhnaya zapekanka - yes, smth similar with cheesecake. --Вадим де Голь (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for this note. I have removed that sentence. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2020

Change type of desert in the table from “tart” to “pie” since cheesecakes are usually taller than a tart and has a creamy filling more similar to a cookies and cream pie than any tart 2600:1700:5C50:B580:8C0C:BC50:38F3:D3FE (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. The § Classification section gives a number of different possibilities, so I simply changed the infobox to reflect that. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Easy Cheesecake recepie

YIELD: 16-17 cupcake size cheesecakes

INGREDIENTS:

4 pks digestive biscuits/any cookie

4 tbsp margarine, melted

16oz cream cheese

1/2 cup sour cream

2 tsp vanilla essence

1/3 cup granulated sugar

2 eggs

Strawberry topping (or any that you like) DIRECTIONS

Add cookies/biscuits to a food processor. Process until they turn into fine crumbs. Empty in the crumbs into a bowl. Add the melted margarine to the bowl and mix well. Add cupcake liners to a baking tray. Add approx 1 tbsp of the crumbs/margarine mixture to the cupcake liner. Using your fingers, press the crumbs firmly together to form the crust at the bottom of the liner. Add cream cheese to a mixing bowl. Mix/Beat until light and fluffy. Add sugar, sour cream, vanilla essence to the cream cheese. Mix well. Add eggs in one at a time. Beat until the mixture is smooth. Fill each cupcake liner 3/4 way with the cheesecake mixture. Place baking tray in a water bath. Bake at 350 degrees for approx 30 minutes. The cheesecakes should ideally feeling slightly bouncy when you touch it after roughly 30 minutes.

Allow the cheesecakes to cool then top with your favorite topping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radz02 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Add information about Basque cheesecakes

Unsure if this should be a new wiki page or a new "Basque"/"Spain" section in this "Cheesecakes" page under the "National Varieties: Europe" section:

Basque cheesecake was created in 1990 by chef Santiago Rivera of La Viña in San Sebastian, Spain. It is a baked crustless cheesecake with a creamy custard-like centre, which sometimes can be molten like lava cake, and main defining characteristic of a caramelized "burnt" top. This cheesecake is now popularized around the world with other restaurants, bakeries, and home chefs making their own versions.

Tshbooks (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Proposed merge of Pineapple cheesecake into Cheesecake

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not merged. Article was deleted at AfD with the conclusion that there was nothing worth merging. Lord Belbury (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Trivial variant Spudlace (talk) 06:06, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support also Enyucado, Tu (cake), Smoked salmon cheesecake. UserTwoSix (talk) 06:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Those would need separate discussions. Smoked salmon cheesecake would require a rewrite of the lede sentence and a substantial change of the scope of this article. That is not trivial and would be proposed separate from this discussion. Spudlace (talk) 22:27, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, the articles were so short I thought they could be easily merged. But not really knowing about them, they do indeed seem separate from cheesecake. The smoked salmon one is about savoury cheesecake, is that what you were getting at? UserTwoSix (talk) 23:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, exactly, trivially it can be topped with any kind of fruit (craberry, strawberry, etc) but rewriting the lead is outside scope when the common name in Merriam Webster is for a dessert. Spudlace (talk) 22:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support. The article has no reason to exist. There's basically no information here, and there's nothing to indicate it's distinct from regular cheesecake DeputyBeagle (talk) 16:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I think someone likes pineapple cheesecake. UserTwoSix (talk) 17:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• Comment This is cut and dry. This request is a success, but I cannot find any way to merge the info into the main cheesecake article since it is simply not relevant. Instead I'll propose it's deleted and place a proposed deletion tag at the top of the page since I do not expect it to be controversial DeputyBeagle (talk) 20:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Looks like there has already been a proposed deletion so I will start an AfD discussion instead DeputyBeagle (talk) 20:15, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2021

Veg Cheesecake No eggs are added to this cheesecake. these are gluten free.

100% Veg Triple Ripple Cheesecake

Cheesecakeloverindia (talk) 02:07, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 19:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Good grief

Are people really so fired up about cheesecake the page needed to be locked?!. Unlock the page already, or fix the red links. Fruit sauce probably needs to link to List of sauces #Sweet sauces.

 Done, I've made fruit sauce redirect to List_of_sauces#Sweet_sauces. Articles get locked for all kinds of reasons, which are only rarely to do with how important the subject is. --Lord Belbury (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

"Cheesecake" with Orange Slices?

Y'all sure that picture in the article's gallery is a cheesecake? It looks like just a wheel of uncut cheese. GuavaTrain (talk) 22:26, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Reference 14 - Cheesecake.com

I do not believe, that this source is reliable. It is used to show, that yeast was apparently used in the majority (if not all) cheescake recipes as late as the 18th century. But the German wikipedia entry for cheesecake lists the ingredients of a cheesecake from the end of the 16th century, with no yeast to be found. Making the statement from "Cheesecake.com" dubious at best, as it gives no sources what so ever. This is besides the fact, that a cheesecake company's website cannot be a credible source for a wikipedia article - this is for marketing, not a scholarly endevour. 88.152.184.17 (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are also bad sources. Can you find a good one that addresses this? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Cheesecake Enthusiast

Oliver Lewis-Burrell 2A02:C7E:2B34:2F00:A42E:394:A0FE:2658 (talk) 21:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Unify the spelling please

Under Chicago-Style it's "cream-cheese" and under New York-Style it's "cream cheese" 2.202.124.95 (talk) 20:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

I have amended the former Sbishop (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Dutch cheesecake [kwarktaart]

Not sure when or why that image in the gallery section became labelled as Dutch cheesecake. The original image source describes it as Thuringian, which is an area of Germany. Can someone change/remove this for factual accuracy? Thanks in advance :) Anticynicism (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2023

it's not "casatta siciliana", it's "Cassata siciliana" 79.31.159.179 (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done except for the capitalisation. Maproom (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Wrong spelling - Italy section

It's not "pastichiera Napoletana", it is "pastiera Napoletana" 87.9.155.44 (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for this note. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023

The section "Switzerland" should not be its own section; it should be part of "National varieties". This seems to be a mistake as "North America" and "South America" are also in the "Switzerland" section. PaU1570 (talk) 10:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC) I have amended the heading format. Ponsonby100 (talk) 10:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for highlighting! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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NY cheesecake edit request

Please add Gil Marks, https://books.google.com/books?id=gFK_yx7Ps7cC&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PT392&dq=%22reuben%22+cheesecake&hl=en&source=gb_mobile_entity&ovdme=1#v=onepage&q=%22reuben%22%20cheesecake&f=false see here on the origin of NY cheesecake, Reuben's Restaurant, and Lindy's Cribb tibley (talk) 18:51, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

•  Done Andre🚐 23:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2024

After the next-to-last sentence, add:

His grandson Alan Rosen, who now owns and runs the restaurant, once sold 2,400 cheesecakes in four minutes to television shoppers.

Also, in the prior sentence, after "Harry Rosen" add "in 1950". 184.153.21.19 (talk) 15:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Partly done: added the year as suggested, but the 1997 promotional stunt would seem undue in what's currently a single paragraph overview of the most significant things about New York cheesecakes. The Junior's article would be a better place for this. --Belbury (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not a "stunt." By any means. It's a sale on QVC, a major network devoted not to stunts but to television sales. And this sale of cheesecakes was notable enough that the New York Times covered it. It's obviously an extraordinary sale to TV shoppers of NY cheesecakes. And Alan Rosen is obviously notable in his own right. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 16:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request 2 on 29 October 2024

That said (see above), an alternative edit is:

"In 1997, The New York Times reported that critics had called Junior's cheesecake "the best cheesecake in the material world," and "edible ivory, like some new element on the atomic chart," and Junior's has used the same recipe since it created it in 1960; owner Alan Rosen has promised never to change it.”

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.153.21.19 (talk) 16:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: that's an opinion + WP:UNDUE. M.Bitton (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

User:M.Bitton An editor's opinion is not worthy of reflection, but we publish opinions all the time at the project. For example, reviews. This is an opinion of critic reflected in the NYT. In any event, what of simply the end then - "Junior's has used the same recipe since it created it in 1960; owner Alan Rosen has promised never to change it.” And I still believe that the above - incorrectly termed "a stunt" - is misunderstood. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 04:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I do think Alan and the reviews of Junior's are notable, reliable, and worthy, but Wikipedia discourages WP:PUFFERY/WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL, and we have to consider the relevance to the main cheesecake page as opposed to the page on Alan or Junior's or whatever. It's a question of the tone. I think Alan's promotional and marketing genius are probably a good reason why Junior's is a big national cheesecake brand and legendary. But we want to avoid saying that in such strong terms in the encyclopedic tone and more flatly and with a reference-library-boringness bent, report stuff. Using the same recipe since 1960 might be worthy of inclusion although it might belong on another article. Promising not to change it seems less relevant to the overall topic of cheesecake in general. The problem isn't that there are opinions. Opinions are perfectly fine, and superlative ones are often included in articles. However, the quote seems gratuitous. The way most articles would frame it would be more like, "critics have consistently rated Junior's as one of the top commercial cheesecake bakeries." If indeed there are sources for that. It would also make sense to compare and look at the ratings of other cheesecakes if any other brands have similar accolades, since this isn't the Junior's article where more in-depth reception data probably belongs. Andre🚐 20:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2025

Add

Baked cheesecake with raspberries and blueberries.

under section "North America". Godjihoes (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Godjihoes, that photo is already at the top of the article. I don't think it's a good idea to have the same photo appear twice in the article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Idk how I didn’t catch that. I’m new here :) Godjihoes (talk) 03:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

No worries. It's easy to miss things like this on a longer article. (And you picked one of my favorite pictures of cheesecake, so you obviously have good taste!) WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Photo gallery

This article used to have a photo gallery. I think that would work better than scattering images around the article. For example, the South African-style cheesecake ought to be in Cheesecake#Africa, the European ones in Cheesecake#Europe, etc. Adding a small gallery for each group should be easy and result in different styles appearing in the relevant section, no matter what size screen the reader is using. What do you think? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Agree Godjihoes (talk) 03:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

@Godjihoes (or anyone else: Please have a look at the bottom of Cheesecake#Europe and tell me what you think.

I'd like to do something similar for the ==Asia== section, including File:Ube Cheesecake.jpg and something from c: Category:Cheesecakes of Japan. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:28, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2025

hello, you are missing the cheesecake from India. in recent years India has created a cheesecake without eggs which was previously impossible to made. We need to update the info on that. as other country style cheesecake is mentioned. Thanks Gojo25 (talk) 03:03, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 05:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)