Talk:Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science/Archive 3
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Edit Request (1/23/2020)
@Spintendo: Good afternoon, and Happy New Year. Please see below for my proposed edits to the CDU article. Looking forward to receiving your feedback and hoping that we can get these edits implemented... Best, Chantelcartercdu (talk) 00:09, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
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I have updated the phrasing re: the history of the MEDEX program. Please note that University has been referred to as "Drew" in both colloquial and official capacities throughout its 50+ year history, thus the phrasing, "MEDEX students at Drew." The Physician Assistant profession began in California as MEDEX at the Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School (now "CDU") in 1971.[original research?][1] MEDEX students at Drew received their instruction from physician faculty at UCLA until March 1973, when they moved to what was then known as the Martin Luther King, Jr. General Hospital in Watts.[2] Following a brief[clarification needed] closure of the program beginning in 2011, the physician assistant program returned to the University in August 2016.[3] --- Re: residency training, I used a new source in place of the Rothman one to support my claim. In reference to your question, "marked by whom/what?" - the answer is that the return of residency training, overall, to the University was marked by Family Medicine and Psychiatry residents officially beginning their programs in July 2018. I've taken special care to review my sources to ensure that its authors are not forecasting anything - everything that's reported within the citations have already happened. That said, if my proposed phrasing below with the updated citations does not work, I'd appreciate some guidance on how to rephase it in a way that's compatible with Wikipedia's standards. In September 2017, the L.A. County Board of Supervisors voted to allocate $800,000 to CDU to fund two new residency training programs in Family Medicine and Psychiatry.[4] The funds were made available through a Pre-Medical School Affiliation Agreement signed between L.A. County and CDU in October 2017.[5][page needed] A Medical School Affiliation Agreement between L.A. County Health Agency and CDU -- Please see below for my proposed updates for the 'Affiliation with Martin Luther King Hospital' section. On your note re: the University’s “voluntary withdrawal" of its accreditation, I hear you, but that’s the way the event was reported by media outlets (such as LA Times, Kaiser Health News, etc), verbatim. I have found another source that states that the school did in fact lose its accreditation due to the hospital's inability to secure Medicare funding, so I'm using that to substantiate my claim along with some rephrasing, and hope that it will suffice. You've indicated that there are an additional "number of issues" with this section - please identify the rest so that I can remedy them as soon as possible. Both Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital and Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science sprang from the same social inequity that sparked the Watts Riot in 1965: a lack of accessible health care in South Los Angeles.[9][10] Originally slated to be named the Los Angeles Southeast County Southeast General Hospital, the medical institution became the Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital following the civil rights leader's assassination in 1968.[11] In 1982, it was renamed the “Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center” in recognition of the role that the neighboring medical school played in training the hospital’s physicians.[12] The relationship between the two institutions continued for the next two decades. However, the university and the hospital dealt with serious problems at the outset of the 21st century: the hospital struggled to remedy the fallout that resulted from years of gross medical malpractice and avoidable patient deaths, while the University struggled with mismanagement, as well as a number of threats to its accreditation status and overall standing as an institution.[13] The hospital was forced by the L.A. County Board of Supervisors to undergo a radical restructuring plan beginning in late 2006, which reduced its number of beds from 537 to 42 and terminated its relationship with CDU as its teaching hospital.[14] As part of the restructuring, management of the hospital was transferred to another county hospital, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance, and King/Drew became Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital in October 2006.[15] Also in October 2006, the national Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education informed CDU officials that it planned to revoke the university's accreditation due to the hospital's failure to pass federal inspection which led to the loss of eligibility for Medicare funding.[16] As a result, the University discontinued all of its residency programs.[17] On March 6, 2007, CDU officials announced that they would sue Los Angeles County for $125 million for breach of contract, claiming that the restructuring of the hospital had gutted the University.[18][19] In June 2007, the school began an 18-month rebranding effort aimed at helping the public understand that CDU was no longer associated with King-Harbor and its continuing ordeals.[13] In September 2009, their 2007 lawsuit was settled with an agreement under which the county would rent space to the university on favorable terms and the county and university would work together toward the reopening of MLK Hospital.[20] In 2015, a new and private nonprofit inpatient facility, Martin Luther King, Jr. Community Hospital, was opened on the county-owned site of the King-Harbor Hospital.[21] Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science has no teaching or operational ties to the new hospital.[22] References
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chantelcartercdu (talk • contribs) 17:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Reply 27-JAN-2020
- I've placed inline templates where information is needed to be clarified.
- The source marked as original research should not be used. It is not entirely clear which program was the first self-sustained program, as Stanford graduated students in 73 and it's not clear when those students enrolled (in other words, it's not clear that their program took only one year to complete).
- The phrase discussing the Watts riots as being "sparked" by inadequate access to health care needs to be omitted or re-worded, as that may have been a proximate cause (inequity), but not a direct cause.
- The LA and NY Times sources are excellent, but the other sources used such as California Healthline and HCD Magazine need to be replaced by better sources. Section headers would work here as well, labeling the information under a specific topic.
Regards, Spintendo 03:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Reply 3-FEB-2020
@Spintendo: Thanks as always for your feedback. May I ask what disqualifies sources such as California Healthline and HCD Magazine from being considered credible? I'd like to keep this in mind for the next round as I look for new ones. Thanks, Chantelcartercdu (talk) 19:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Chantelcartercdu: Thank you for your question — I apologize for the delay in answering it. Wikipedia prefers using reliable, independent, WP:SECONDARY sources for its content.[a] In this instance, California Healthline is a publication owned by Kaiser, which due to its proximity to the healthcare industry, would not place it as an independent publication. HCD Magazine appears to be owned by Emerald X, an owner and operator of business-to-business tradeshows, which brings into question its reliability. Regards, Spintendo 10:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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- ↑ These are to be preferred; content may also originate, to a lesser degree, from primary and tertiary sources.
edit request (February 25)
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Hello, please see below for my latest submission for CDU's wikipedia page. Looking forward to receiving feedback. Thanks. Chantelcartercdu (talk) 23:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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I have updated the phrasing re: the history of the MEDEX program. Please note that University has been referred to as "Drew" in both colloquial and official capacities throughout its 50+ year history, thus the phrasing, "MEDEX students at Drew." The Physician Assistant program at the Charles R. Drew Postgraduate Medical School (now "CDU") as MEDEX in 1971.[1] It was one of the first MEDEX programs to open in the state of California.[2] MEDEX students at Drew received their instruction from physician faculty at UCLA until March 1973, when they moved to what was then known as the Martin Luther King, Jr. General Hospital in Watts.[1] The physician assistant program returned to the University in August 2016 after a five year closure period that began in 2011.[2] --- I have added the requested page number to citation #5 - the information is stated on page one and address various tags. I'm at a loss as to how to word the significance of the return of residency training. In September 2017, the L.A. County Board of Supervisors voted to allocate $800,000 to CDU to fund two new residency training programs in Family Medicine and Psychiatry.[3] The funds were made available through a Pre-Medical School Affiliation Agreement signed between L.A. County and CDU in October 2017.[4] A Medical School Affiliation Agreement between L.A. County Health Agency and CDU provides the programs with support of up to $14.6 million until 2023.[4] Residents began their programs in Family Medicine and Psychiatry in July 2018,[5] meaning that the University offered residency training as part of its curriculum for the first time since the closure of the former King-Drew Medical Center, and consequently the University's own training programs, in 2007.[6][7] -- I have updated the HCD and California Healthline citations and added subheads to the section per the suggestions of Spintendo. History of affiliationBoth Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital and Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science sprang from the same social inequity that caused the Watts Riot in 1965: a lack of accessible health care in South Los Angeles.[8][9] Originally slated to be named the Los Angeles Southeast County Southeast General Hospital, the medical institution[which?] became the Martin Luther King Jr. Hospital following the civil rights leader's assassination in 1968.[10] In 1982, it was renamed the “Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center” in recognition of the role that the neighboring medical school played in training the hospital’s physicians.[11]
Loss of accreditation, rebranding effortsThe relationship between the two institutions continued for the next two decades. However, the university and the hospital dealt with serious problems at the outset of the 21st century: the hospital struggled to remedy the fallout that resulted from years of gross medical malpractice and avoidable patient deaths, while the University struggled with mismanagement, as well as a number of threats to its accreditation status and overall standing as an institution.[12] The hospital was forced by the L.A. County Board of Supervisors to undergo a radical restructuring plan beginning in late 2006, which reduced its number of beds from 537 to 42 and terminated its relationship with CDU as its teaching hospital.[13] As part of the restructuring, management of the hospital was transferred to another county hospital, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center in Torrance, and King/Drew became Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital in October 2006.[14] Also in October 2006, the national Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education informed CDU officials that it planned to revoke the university's accreditation due to the hospital's failure to pass federal inspection which led to the loss of eligibility for Medicare funding.[15] As a result, the University discontinued all of its residency programs.[16] On March 6, 2007, CDU officials announced that they would sue Los Angeles County for $125 million for breach of contract, claiming that the restructuring of the hospital had gutted the University.[17][18] In June 2007, the school began an 18-month rebranding effort aimed at helping the public understand that CDU was no longer associated with King-Harbor and its continuing ordeals.[12] In September 2009, their 2007 lawsuit was settled with an agreement under which the county would rent space to the university on favorable terms and the county and university would work together toward the reopening of MLK Hospital.[19] Opening of Martin Luther King Community HospitalIn 2015, a new and private nonprofit inpatient facility, Martin Luther King, Jr. Community Hospital, was opened on the county-owned site of the King-Harbor Hospital.[20] Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science has no teaching or operational ties to the new hospital.[21] References
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- I don't see too many issues with the text as it is, it looks very good (reference wise and grammar, etc.). The only issue I see is that there is some confusion in the difference between Drew and MLK. I placed those comments in the middle of the proposal because I wanted to understate them as questions that I had, as a reader, while reading the text up to that point in the article. Please feel free to read them. Perhaps when this text is integrated into the article, it will become more clear, but maybe perhaps a better description of how and why these two facilities merged (I want to say they merged, but actually I'm not even sure that's what they did, or if they just changed names). Please take a look at the feedback I wrote, and then feel free to respond with any ideas you have on it. I look forward to hearing them. To re-iterate, the only issues I have are with the section on Drew and MLK (the History and Affiliation section). The loss of accreditation section is much more clearer, although because it deals with these two facilities that I had the questions about, it's still fuzzy. Be sure to change the template's answer parameter from ans=y to ans=n when ready with your reply. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo 09:56, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Chantelcartercdu: Just to follow up here, I'm going to go ahead and implement the requested changes for all the sections where the text was not an issue (which amounts to 1⁄2 of the entire request). The only areas where changes will be held back will be from the area I mentioned above, where I still had questions about the relationship between the one facility and the other. Still awaiting feedback from those questions. Again, thank you for your help! Regards, Spintendo 13:50, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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