Talk:Camargue

Fictional reference

This mention of a fictional/fantasy future place called "Kamarg" doesn't seem to me to add any important or even real information about the Camargue. What does this contribute to understanding about the real Camargue? In general, the "popular culture" secions in a number of Wikipedia articles I work on seem to detract from the point of the article by just listing individuals' personal associations to things, and a number of editors are moving in the direction of taking out such things. Unless the editor who put this there can somehow write about the cultural and literary influence of the Camargue in a more encyclopedic mannter, this seems more like a sound bite or factoid rather than something adding knowledge or understanding, at least from my limited perspective. Jeremy J. Shapiro 06:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

In response to your comment Jeremy, I would say that including the fictional reference of "Kamarg" is relevant. The Kamarg is the opening setting for one of Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series: "Hawkmoon". A quick perusal of the Camargue wiki clearly shows that it is the creative inspiration for Moorcock's Kamarg including the native fauna, locales (Aigues-Mortes), and geography. I doubt that many would contest the literary value of including a reference to Moorcock's works as he is recognized as an outstanding speculative fiction author and had contributed a significant body of work to the field of science and speculative fiction. A reader of Moorcock will see his influence throughout much of modern science fiction, fantasy, and speculative fiction in film, television, and print. 75.157.166.97 (talk) 22:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)Kimball Finigan

More encyclopedic introduction

Shouldn't the article start out by explaining what the Camargue is (as opposed to where it is), e.g. "The Camargue (blabla) is a wetlands region in Southern France (between bla bla etc.)"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.116.93 (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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On October 26, 2017, the following entire section was removed from the article ...

==In popular culture==

• The area was the namesake of Operation Camargue during the First Indochina War of the French in its colony of Vietnam.
• Captain Horatio Hornblower, RN raided the Étang de Vaccarès in 1810, according to C. S. Forester's 1938 novel A Ship of the Line.
• The 1953 children's film Crin-Blanc, known in English as White Mane, portrays the Camarguais horses and region through the eyes of a boy. Directed by Albert Lamorisse, the black-and-white film won the Prix Jean Vigo award and the Cannes Film Festival's Grand Prize, both for short film.
• The majority of the youthful romance movie Friends (1971) takes place in the Camargue, with numerous scenes of wetlands and wildlife. "Michelle's Song," from the soundtrack by Bernie Taupin and Elton John, includes the phrase, "tiny daughter of the Camargue."
• The Hammer Films thriller Maniac (1963) was partly filmed in the Camargue.
• Part of the plot of Alistair MacLean's thriller, The Way to Dusty Death, is set in the Camargue.
• Large parts of Michael Moorcock's Dorian Hawkmoon fantasy cycle take place in a future version of the Camargue (spelt Kamarg in the novels).
• Part of Eagle Strike, the fourth book in the Alex Rider series of spy novels for young adults by Anthony Horowitz, is set in the Camargue.
• The ultra-rare Pininfarina-designed Rolls-Royce Camargue was named after the region.
• Patricia Wilson's book, the Gathering Darkness, is set in Camargue with the hero Luc holding the title of a Marquee.
• A large and important part of Alistair MacLean’s novel ‘Caravan to Vaccares’ is set in Camargue.

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rm unreferenced trivia, fortunately we don't do this any more (someone had "the title of a Marquee" – what was he, a wedding-tent?)

Hmm---well, yes, whoever contributed the sentence in which "Marquee" had appeared had misspelled "Marquis." That might easily have been corrected.

Above, a comment headed "Fictional reference" is as follows ...

This mention of a fictional/fantasy future place called "Kamarg" doesn't seem to me to add any important or even real information about the Camargue. What does this contribute to understanding about the real Camargue? In general, the "popular culture" secions in a number of Wikipedia articles I work on seem to detract from the point of the article by just listing individuals' personal associations to things, and a number of editors are moving in the direction of taking out such things. Unless the editor who put this there can somehow write about the cultural and literary influence of the Camargue in a more encyclopedic mannter, this seems more like a sound bite or factoid rather than something adding knowledge or understanding, at least from my limited perspective.

Whether the now-gone popular-culture section added any important information about the Camargue does not seem to me to be the relevant question. It added important information about the items that were listed in it. It guided persons familiar with those items to information about the Camargue. I personally first came to know of the Camargue because I'd encountered that word, Camargue, in one of those items. Repairing to Wikipedia, to learn the meaning of the word, I learned about not only the Camargue itself but all the other items---films, books, or whatever---in which the Camargue had had a part. That helped me understand the Camargue by allowing me to grasp the presence it had had in the lives and thinking of persons who'd had knowledge of it.

I think the section should be returned to the article.108.2.113.147 (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2025 (UTC) 108.2.113.147 (talk) 03:13, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

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