Talk:Caesar Hull
Latest comment: 19 days ago by Cloptonson in topic CWGC citation, middle name
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Reviewer: Zawed (talk · contribs) 09:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
I will take this one. Comments will follow later this week. Zawed (talk) 09:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks Zawed. —Cliftonian (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Comments as follows:
Infobox
- Should his allegiance be to the UK?
- Well, yes, he was in the Royal Air Force. Normally I would put both the UK and his country of origin, but decided not to this time as he moved to England and joined the RAF directly; it wouldn't seem entirely accurate to me to put Southern Rhodesia, and it also wouldn't seem right to me to put South Africa. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Early life
- Don't suppose there is any info regarding his boxing career?
- Not that I could find, but I do agree this is an area that needs expanding. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Early war
- "Hull, Carey and two others together downed another Heinkel on 28 March 1940." Was this a He III?
Norway
- "...the pilots took off from the sea on 21 May..." Took off from the sea? I know what you are trying say but maybe rephrase? "...took off on 21 May while at sea..."?
- Good idea, have changed —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- "Heinkel He 111 " a little inconsistent in presentation as you have referred to them simply as He III (apart from first usage) in previous section. Later on it becomes Heinkel.
- Have changed usages to He 111 to remove ambiguity. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- "...during 70 combats." This doesn't feel right; "during 70 combat missions."?
- How about "during 70 dogfights"? —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Feltwebel, Oberleutnant:link the ranks? And isn't it Feldwebel?
- "...and forced to crash near the Bodø airfield.": Is this airfield the same as the one mentioned in the 2nd para of this section? If so, the link should be moved.
Battle of Britain; death
- I think the rank in the quote box should be recited in full.
Other stuff
- Image tags look appropriate
- Duplicate link in lead: Distinguished Flying Cross (first usage is as post-nominal)
- I think this is justified as the second usage is in full in the prose of the lead as opposed to in acronym form after his name. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Zawed (talk) 08:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- No dab links
- Checklinks tool shows links working OK
This article covers its subject reasonably broadly and is well referenced with reliable sources. The above comments are really just nitpicks. Zawed (talk) 10:14, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you Zawed for the review and the kind words. I hope my changes are satisfactory. —Cliftonian (talk) 16:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Changes all good, passing as GA. Zawed (talk) 08:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
CWGC citation, middle name
editJust one point for this Good Article. I have picked up his casualty details from the CWGC here: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2723921/caesar-barraud-hull/ which gives the middle name of himself and his father as BARRAUD not BARRAND. I would like to gain consensus before altering - do the other sources you use call him Barrand? How authoritative would you say the CWGC citation is to be a reliable source on this aspect?Cloptonson (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Cloptonson: having looked at this, I see the LG citations give the spelling as Barrand as well as the Musgrave 2004 citation in the article. Unfortunately I don't have any of the book sources used although most probably wouldn't give the middle name anyway. Of my own books that mention Hull's name in full, Aces High (Shores & Williams, 1994) give it as Barrand, but Men of the Battle of Britain (Wynn, 2015) does give it as Barraud. I am inclined to think the CWGC would be more likely to be correct – the implications of misspelling a casualty name and all. I suggest adding a footnote (there is already a footnote section) mentioning that some sources spell the middle name as Barraud, and cite it to CWGC and Wynn.
- P.S. you have posted to the GA review page, rather than the talk page of the article itself. It would be better to comment on the talk page as that is likely to have more watchers. The GA review page is on my watch list only because I created the page when initiating the review, and it is likely the only other watcher is the GA nominator. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 08:26, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you. My comments were done late in the day when I found it not easy to tell where talk page began and GA review page began. The CWGC citation has the virtue of being nearer his lifetime and most likely the lifetime of his surviving parents, and Wynn may have referred to it when compiling.Cloptonson (talk) 08:33, 21 May 2026 (UTC)