Talk:Buryats

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"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 22:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

New editor. My name is Daisy and I am a student at Northern Kentucky University. As part of my class requirements for ANT 201 I must edit a Wikipedia page, I have chosen this one and will be adding credible information about the Buryat's food. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Villacisd1 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

What is the meaning of Buryats?

Does anybody know the meaning of the word of "Buryat"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.221.148 (talk) 02:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Is Tumd Buryats?

• Dayan Khan

Hori Tümet

• History of Mongolia: Hori Tumet (Buriat) tribes lived around the lake Baikal...
• Hori Tümet -Baidu Encyclopedia

Tümet

• Altan Khan: Tumed Mongols, Khan of Tumet
• Tümet - Baidu Encyclopedia
• Trace to the Source of Name of Tümet
• TÜMET

Or, is Tumet Ordos? --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Descendants of the Tumeds live in Inner Mongolia. But Khori-Tumed is another ethnic group of the Mongols. They used to live around Baikal. After 1260, they moved south.--Enerelt (talk) 00:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To blank and redirect (WP:BLAR), given the contested content; redirect to most relevant page. Klbrain (talk) 14:49, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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I propose merging Buryat genocide (created by Alex091981) into Buryats. Besides the questionable title of Buryat genocide, the content could easily fit in the history section of Buryats. BinaryBrainBug (talk) 19:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Disagree when the neutrality of the Buryat genocide article has been questioned. Once that has been addressed, and that article has WP:RELIABLE sources supporting what is stated, then it might be merged. 14.2.199.154 (talk) 10:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Disagree strongly, its an important historical event in Soviet ethnic cleansing histiography and Buryat history. Theofunny (talk) 17:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Support, changing my stance, the entire article turned out to be an llm generated hoax. Theofunny (talk) 18:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with the IP editor. There doesn't seem to be much worth merging in its current state. It might be preferable to WP:BLAR and then add any necessary information to this article from scratch. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

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Ancestors

This page says ancestors of Mongol Buryats are Bayirqu and Kurykan. Kurykan and Bayirqu are Turkic. So how does this make buryat mongolian? 31.143.255.212 (talk) 11:10, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Bayirku and Kurykans

@Nifushi, The sources cited include the Great Russian Encyclopedia as well as works by historians with academic degrees. These sources clearly fall under the criteria of WP:RS and WP:SCHOLAR. There is no WP:OR involved, as all quotations and sources are properly provided. Your removal of the Mongolic version, rather than my edits, is what violates the rules set out in WP:NPOV. KoizumiBS (talk) 09:38, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

The sources cited include the Great Russian Encyclopedia as well as works by historians with academic degrees

Who are these historians? You should cite them & academic research. Not the encyclopedias. That's what fall under No original research.

There is no WP:OR involved, as all quotations and sources are properly provided.

No original research happens when you cite from an unreliable/non-academic source such as an encyclopedia. What is important is where these claims come from and which academic researcher support this in their work.

Wikipedia is a place where you should use primary academic sources, not other encyclopedias.

Regarding the Neutral point of view, you are listing every Mongolic origin hypothesis of Bayyrku & Kurykans in order to make them look more "Mongolic." while a version before you were mentioning these hypothesis only.

with regard to the Bayyrku and the Kurykans, alongside the Turkic version there are also hypotheses suggesting that they represented Mongolic elements within the Tiele confederation.

Page is about Buryats. Not the origin of these tribes. While the researchers skeptical on Bayirku and the Kurykans while if they are the ancestors of Buryats, you mass editing sources in order to make them look more Mongolic.

I can now list the consensus among historians and researchers regarding the Tiele, where the majority agree that they were a Turkic-speaking people. This may take up to three long paragraphs. You are POV pushing.

Nifushi (talk) 14:20, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

According to WP:OR, "original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists." In this case, there is no WP:OR. I cited the Great Russian Encyclopedia, a tertiary source that names its authors and provides references to academic literature. Per WP:RS, encyclopedias of this level are acceptable, and I additionally included the primary works it cites to avoid any misunderstanding.

Accusing me of POV pushing is unfair. WP:NPOV requires that both the Turkic and the Mongolic hypotheses about the Bayïrku and the Kurykans be presented in proportion to their weight in scholarship. The sources I cited explicitly state that these are the two main versions, and that some researchers even view these groups as heterogeneous, with Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic elements.

By removing the Mongolic hypothesis, you are not following WP:NPOV but suppressing a well-documented view supported by major scholars such as Bartold, Pelliot, Hambis, and others. Please focus on constructive discussion and avoid personal accusations. KoizumiBS (talk) 05:58, 6 September 2025 (UTC)