Talk:Brahui people

Ethnic Identity of the Brahui People: Scholarly Reference

A peer-reviewed article titled *"Ethnic Identity of the Baloch People" * by Pavla Kokaislová and Petr Kokaisl (Central Asia and the Caucasus, Vol. 13, No. 3, 2012) provides a valuable insight into the relationship between Brahui speakers and Baloch identity.

The authors state that the Brahui people of Turkmenistan, who migrated alongside Baloch nomads from Iran and Afghanistan, became assimilated in the 1960s and **regarded themselves as "Balochis of the Brahui clan."** This suggests that, at least in some contexts, Brahui speakers identify ethnically as Baloch despite their distinct Dravidian linguistic heritage.

This source can help clarify the complex interplay between language and ethnic identity in the case of the Brahui, and may support the inclusion of Brahui people within the broader Baloch ethnic framework.

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- DOI: (https://doi.org/10.54781/abz.v12i1.15) - PDF: (https://ca-c.org/index.php/cac/article/download/1532/1377/2769) -- Moshtank (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2025 (UTC)

Concern regarding unsourced reversion of sourced content

@Cailwo:

Hi, I noticed that you reverted my recent edit to the *Brahui People* article, replacing sourced content with unsourced material. The version I added was based on a reliable academic reference:

> Dashti, Naseer (2012). *The Baloch and Balochistan: A Historical Account from the Beginning to the Fall of the Baloch State*. Trafford Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4669-5896-8. pp. 129, 341–342.

Could you please clarify the reason for your reversion and provide sources to support the version you restored? Wikipedia values verifiability and reliable citations, and unsourced edits can mislead readers.

I’m happy to collaborate and improve the article together, but let’s ensure all content is properly referenced.

Thanks! -- Moshtank (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

hello, my friend there are many sources that say that brahui are a separate people from the baluch. In the book "the people of India" by Sir Herbert Risley 1908 he shows the Baluch and Brahui as separate people and doesn't show them as just a tribe of baluch and there are many other sources like it. Also Brahui speak a Dravidian language and so how can they just be a subset of the baluch and other few sources that state brahui to closely related to the baluch people state them as "baluchized dravidian" rather then there subset. Although the source that you mentioned is one outlier but Mr Naseer is a baluch nationalist so you know.

Sorry for the late reply and I'm not here just to fight my beliefs but rather cooperate about what the consensus has to say. Cailwo (talk) 18:16, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

if you'd like I can provide a few more sources. Cailwo (talk) 18:17, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello and warm regards,

It seems there may have been a misunderstanding. Naseer Dashti and Gul Khan Nasir are two different individuals. While Gul Khan Nasir was indeed a prominent figure in Baloch nationalism, it's interesting to note that he himself was Brahui-speaking—essentially a Brahui Baloch. Naseer Dashti is a separate person.

Regarding your claim that sources supporting the Baloch identity of Brahui speakers are few, I believe you may not have reviewed the literature thoroughly. In fact, most sources affirm that Brahui speakers identify as Baloch, and many of the authors themselves are Brahui-speaking.

For example:

- Baloch Aur Unka Watan by Dr. Farooq Baloch, a Brahui speaker.

- The works of Gul Khan Nasir, also a Brahui speaker.

- A History of the Baloch and Balochistan by Mir Naseer Khan Ahmadzai Qambarani Baloch, a descendant of the Khanate of Kalat and a Brahui speaker.

These and many other texts consistently present Brahui speakers as part of the Baloch people—not as a separate ethnicity. Moreover, most Brahui speakers themselves identify as Baloch.

You may also refer to the census attempt by Alfbinin, who tried to distinguish between Baloch and Brahui speakers. Interestingly, once Brahui speakers understood the intent, the majority identified themselves as Baloch. This reaction itself is a powerful reflection of how Brahui speakers perceive their own identity.

Today, in Balochistan, no Brahui speaker considers themselves separate from the Baloch identity. Many are actively involved in Baloch nationalist movements. Notable examples include Dr. Mahrang Baloch and Dr. Allah Nazar Baloch, who continue to advocate for the Baloch name and identity.

Best regards,

- Moshtank (talk) 11:35, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

In fact, the Baloch people and the region of Balochistan encompass a variety of languages and dialects.

Languages such as Balochi, Brahui, Khetrani, Lasi, Jadgali, and Bashkardi are spoken across Balochistan.

Additionally, Saraiki, Bandari, and Sindhi can also be included, as many Baloch speak these languages.

Saraiki-speaking Baloch are sometimes referred to as "Saraiki Baloch," although they often identify themselves as Chakarani Baloch or Lashari Baloch.

Importantly, all these groups identify as Baloch regardless of whether they speak the Balochi language.

It is not uncommon for prominent individuals to be unable to understand Balochi, yet they strongly identify as Baloch.

One example is Golzadi Baloch, a leader of BYC (Baloch Yakjehti Committee), who speaks Brahui and does not understand Balochi.

Yet, like many others, he proudly identifies as Baloch.

Songs in these languages celebrate Baloch identity, Balochistan, and the homeland.

Balochi and Brahui have a rich body of cultural and literary work in this regard.

Other languages with fewer speakers also contribute, such as a song in Khetrani by Shakeel Ahmed Khetran about Balochistan, which went viral on Balochistan social media.

- Moshtank (talk) 11:54, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

@Snusho

Please talk about this so reverts Edits

- Moshtank (talk) 11:57, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

I didn't find anything in your source, stating that Brahui people are ethnically Baloch. There are several reliable sources where it is mentioned that Brahui people are distinct ethnic group. This is the long-standing version of the article. You need to give reliable source and gain concensus for changing the statements regarding ethnicity. Snusho (talk) 13:56, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2026

Change "In the aftermath of the partition, the Khanate was absorbed into Pakistan notwithstanding popular protests.[2]" to "In the aftermath of the partition, the Khanate was absorbed into Pakistan by way of princely assent, notwithstanding popular protests.[2][3]"

Where the new [3] source is

Dushka H. Saiyid, "The Accession of Kalat: Myth and Reality" (Strategic Studies, Vol. 26, No. 2, Summer 2006), Saiyid writes: "While the Instrument of Accession was signed by the Khan of Kalat on March 27, it was placed before Jinnah on March 31, 1948, who accepted it

This provides important context as to how the absorption occurred. Accuratehistorywriter (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

 Done Axolitl (talk | contribs) 14:10, 21 June 2026 (UTC)