Talk:Bodo–Kachari peoples

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@Northeast heritage: why are you trying to make the "Origins" section about the language? This section is not about the origins of the language but the people. And the origins of this people is in a multilingual society that spoke Tibeto-Burman as well as Austroasiatic. Chaipau (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Your question doesn't make any sense. This group is connected to proto-Boro-Garo language speakers and all of your citations come from Boro-Garo language papers. Your additions are mostly hypotheses. You should divide the group into two parts - Easter Boro-Garo and Western Boro-Garo as Jaqquesson did. And the origins of this people is in a multilingual society that spoke Tibeto-Burman as well as Austroasiatic isn't proved. Also, Genetic doesn't support this. I am writing about Bodo-Kacharis, not Austroasiatic. They may or mayn't be part of Bodo-Kacharis. Which of my edit isn't for Bodo-Kachari ? Northeast heritage (talk) 10:14, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Of course not, the people of this group speak Boro-Garo as well as Assamese. And the evidence is pretty glaring that AA formed a strong component of this group. Chaipau (talk) 11:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Ramirez issues

@Chaipau: Ramirez is good for current affairs but its claims related to History can't be taken seriously e.g. Bodo-Kachari_people#cite_note-27 contradicts the fact that Dimasa (Kachari) were Hill tribe. Northeast heritage (talk) 14:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Why not? He makes many references to historical facts. Chaipau (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Chaipau:Mech/Boro, Kachari/Boro, Dimasa, Boro, Dimasa, Plain Kachari/Boro, Hill Kachari/Dimasa, Tippera, Garo, Rabha, Lalung, Koch, Chutia, Moran, Barahi, Sarania, Sonowal, Thengal etc were used in colonial documents. Colonial documents are pretty much clear what is meant by Kacharis. Ahom chronicles aren't ethnographic work. They only mention whom they encounter. They never encountered Mech and Rabha, so they never mentioned these names. Bodo label was extended by Hodgson and Kachari label was extended by Endle but Bodo label was established as generic name by Gait. Check this . Thank you. Good night. Northeast heritage (talk) 17:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sure. Here is what Ramirez says: Much of colonial and post-Independence literature was—and is still often—set within an ethnic paradigm reflecting the essentialism of colonial and local elites, and which it helped to reinforce and propagate. Together with several post-Independence socioeconomic and political developments, this was one of the contributing factors to an enduring process of “ethnicisation”. So some of the ethnicization is the result of colonialism and its aftermath. The use of the term "Bodo" itself is the most glaring example, and which people are trying desperately to get away from. So I am not surprised that you would object to Ramirez.

Contrary to what you claim, the Ahoms, over the course of their 600 years of of history, knew the peoples very well. Of course they are not ethnographic works, but they have enough details in the Buranjis for people with the right methodologies to pull out the right kind of information, which Ramirez has done. I do not need to make this point to you. Ramirez is RS. Chaipau (talk) 17:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Ramirez is also aware that the locals may not like the book. He writes: I’m also aware that many of my local friends will be disappointed by this book, that they won’t recognise the image they have of their country, that they will feel I have devoted too many pages to details which they deem futile, and not enough to what seems most important to them. To me, however, the best way of giving back a bit of what I have received is to offer something useful, and that is the point of view of a foreigner and my passion for the hidden mazes of human societies. I will be quite happy if this book contributes, even through contradictions, to the debates on history and culture of which my friends are so fond. As can be expected this is what you'd like a true academic to write. He should be truthful to his trade (methodologies) and he should draw conclusions that purely from his methodologies and he should not be pressured by personal relationships. Chaipau (talk) 18:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I am not here to establish "Bodo" generic term. I just pointed out who established it because the etymology section refers to Grierson. Instead, I support Boro-Garo or Boro-Koch using dvinda technique because the generic term for linguistic group has changed, so the generic term of the group of peoples who speak or used to speak Boro-Garo languages should also be changed. Ramirez is WP:RS but need to take care of WP:DUE. Everything he writes may not be correct. I have not read his book. I just checked your citation and i found it incorrect because Hill tribe Dimasa were also called Kachari. Northeast heritage (talk) 18:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Now I see. He cites Bhuyan et al. 1936. I am very much aware of Bhuyan's work. Also Ramirez didn't write much about Kacharis. His main focus was hill tribes. Northeast heritage (talk) 18:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

No, Ramirez's work is about what he calls in the title --- margin. Chaipau (talk) 19:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

A better nomenclature

Kachari-Koch peoples or Bodo-Koch peoples Northeast heritage (talk) 05:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

We will wait till these names gain currency in reliable sources. Chaipau (talk) 03:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

To my knowledge, Damant, Burling, DeLancey, Jaquesson, Driem and Hazarika have already used Bodo-Koch/Garo. Northeast heritage (talk) 05:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The linguists have used the name Boro-Garo languages to classify a collection of languages. This is the preferred spelling now among the linguists. But this article is about peoples. And many of the people here do not speak Boro-Garo languages. Such as the Morans. And the Rajbanshis. Chaipau (talk) 12:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I know about all these things. Bodo-Koch (Damant's Kachari-Koch , Gait's Bodo) represent the group of peoples who speak or used to speak any of the Boro-Garo languages. The modern approach to classify peoples is based on linguistic studies. Probably Austronesier can guide on this topic. I just wanted to provide this reference to improve the article. I am signing off. Northeast heritage (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Please change the title to Greater-Kacharis of assam.

The term bodo-kachari or bodos is used to denote a perticular tribe bodo or the boros who speaks the bodo/boro language. The other tribes of assam doesn't consider themself as bodos as they don't speak the same language nor wear the attire. Bodo/boro is a different tribe then the Dimasa, Sonowal, tiwa,deori etc. Jagat deuri (talk) 19:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Not true. Look at Bodo–Kachari_people#cite_note-jacobnote-1, and please read the article closely. Wikipedia makes a distinction between Bodo and Boro. Bodo is the larger composite group, as the citation claims, and Boro is the name of a specific group. And nowhere in the article is it implied that the other groups are Boro. In fact it is mentioned in the lad itself that the groups may or may not have a common ancestor. Chaipau (talk) 03:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

But the suggestion is good, if we can find some recent authors using this name. Chaipau (talk) 23:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Bodo–Kachari people → Bodo–Kachari peoples – This refers to multiple ethnic groups. Arctic Circle System (talk) 07:37, 1 May 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 05:07, 8 May 2026 (UTC)

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