Talk:Beta Israel/Archive 3

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Dug you did a big mistake! You typed beni Israel ( which are the Indian Jew ) instead of Beta israel ( which are the Ethiopian Jews ) 2A02:6680:110A:37B8:2977:2EAC:848A:4548 (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The full quote:

“In contrast, Ethiopian Jews (Beta Israel) and IndianJews (Bene Israel and Cochini) cluster with neighbouring auto-chthonous populations in Ethiopia and western India, respec-tively, despite a clear paternal link between the Bene Israel andthe Levant. These results cast light on the variegated genetic archi-tecture of the Middle East, and trace the origins of most JewishDiaspora communities to the Levant.” 18:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs)

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You have q maistake 2A02:6680:2106:939A:8C0A:EF53:3EE5:406E (talk) 11:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Walter

Walter You made a big mistake! Instead of reading the whole article you just read the abstract and you add it to Wikipedia 2A02:6680:2106:939A:8C0A:EF53:3EE5:406E (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Who is the owner of this page?

Who is the owner of this page? Why are you letting hime write whenever he wants? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:6680:2109:C8DA:60E9:9A71:35D0:DDA1 (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Why are you deleting sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:6680:1106:1FCE:E054:D9F7:47D3:FDBC (talk) 17:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Read the edit summaries. Doug Weller talk 19:17, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2022

Add to the "Notable Beta Israelis. Cabra Casay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabra_Casay) she is a notable member of the Beta Israel nation Aronchka (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This is not mentioned or sourced in their article either. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2022

There is a study of the genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. it was published in the year 2010. And in the study it was mentioned that the Ethiopian jews are clustered with semetic-speaking Ethiopians rather than the cushitic-speaking Ethiopians. So why doesn't it mention here? https://lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~bayazit1/nature_jews.pdf Tofu54401 (talk) 01:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC) sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 11:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

"the study also absorbed that the Ethiopian jews are clustered with the semetic-speaking Ethiopians and not with the cushitic-speaking Ethiopians". https://lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~bayazit1/nature_jews.pdf Tofu54401 (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Here is the source above I will send it again

https://lepo.it.da.ut.ee/~bayazit1/nature_jews.pdf   Tofu54401 (talk) 01:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC) sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 11:19, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Contact with "other Jewish communities"

The article states: "The Beta Israel made contact with other Jewish communities in the later 20th century." In the later 19th there were contacts with the Alliance Israélite Universelle through Joseph Halévy that were intensified in the first decade of the 20th century, see History of the Jews in Ethiopia. Shouldn't this be corrected? 176.199.208.227 (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add Category:Ethnic groups in Israel

The lede says much of the Beta Israel community has migrated to Israel, so the category "Ethnic groups in Israel" should be added to this article. Please add "[[Category:Ethnic groups in Israel]]" to the bottom of the page. - 87.58.119.203 (talk) 15:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Source 32

[32] quotes Kaplan as "Steve" but his name is "Steven"! 37.168.18.41 (talk) 21:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Forced conversion by Christians in 18th century needs a citation

Would like a source for this claim and to be more specific about the denomination that force converted Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopian Christians have been around since before the Nicene Council and have the oldest Bible in the world. They lived side-by-side with the Jews since the beginning so it's highly doubtful that Ethiopian Christians force converted Ethiopian Jews 1500 years later. C.a.kland (talk) 10:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Africa or Ethiopia?

Calling on @Sinclairian and @KybordK6K to engage in a discussion here, rather than edit-war.
Note to @KybordK6K: please leave Branu Tegene out of the edit war. I don't think there is any dispute that he is a notable member of the community. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 15:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely need to take this to talk at this point.

Kybord's rationale that we cannot call Beta Israel an "African Jewish community" because we don't use that descriptor for Jews living in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya is complete nonsense. As I said in my edit summary: Ethiopia is an African nation, the Beta Israel are primarily descended from native Ethiopians, and they speak a Semitic language which originated in Ethiopia – therefore, they are African Jews not just geographically, but ethnically, culturally, linguistically, and, well, literally. If Kybord has a problem with other African communities not being described as "African" in their lede sections, nothing is preventing him – or any other editor – from adding such a descriptor themselves. Sinclairian (talk) 16:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

You lost me. If, in your words, they "are primarily descended from native Ethiopians" why not describe them as Ethiopians? Alternatively, could we describe them "as a Jewish community from sub-Sahara Africa" to exclude the Arab countries of North Africa? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Of course we could, but that was never the point of contention. Sinclairian (talk) 14:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Glad you agree that we can narrow down the region from "Africa" to "sub-Sahara Africa". But KybordK6K makes a good point below that why expand the region beyond what is most necessary? If, as you acknowledge, they are primarily descended from native Ethiopians, why not limit the geographic location to Ethiopia?

The point being: there is no need to expand the geographic region any more than necessary. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 15:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Again, that’s totally fine, but also, was never even being debated in the first place. This is about a user completely removing any mention of African origin, not a disagreement over how to acceptably specify their origins. Sinclairian (talk) 17:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm confused. Isn't Ethiopia in Africa? If we say that they are from Ethiopia, wouldn't that mean that they are from Africa? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

1 Look, culturally speaking the customs of the Beta israel (as well as their Christian neighbours the Amhara & Tigrayns) is similar to other Middle Eastern people rather than sub-Saharan African people. So Therefore I want to Ask you what do you mean by “they are African Jews by culturally”. What about Moroccan or Tunisian Jews? Why treating the Beta israel different than them?

2 Using as large continent such as Africa to generalise people is wrong. Technically speaking both bedueins and Japaneses are native to the continent of Asia. Yet it doesn’t mean that they have/share anything in common. KybordK6K (talk) 19:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I think KybordK6K makes valid points. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 01:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Compromise wording

Would this wording be acceptable to both sides? The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove everything?

@Morta204

Could you kindly explain why you trashed my revision? Consider adding an edit summary next time. Shoshin000 (talk) 11:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

If you don't answer I will restore it and ask for this page to be protected. Shoshin000 (talk) 11:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

As other people are also editing this article, I've restored the former version; the more I would wait, the more people would have been bothered.

I am still ready to hear constructive criticism. Shoshin000 (talk) 08:32, 1 May 2025 (UTC)