Talk:Bechbretha

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by NightWolf1223 talk 14:54, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

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( Article history links:

• Bechbretha
• Muirbretha
• Mellbretha
• Bretha Crólige
• Bretha Étgid
• Anfuigell
• Gúbretha Caratniad
• Bretha Déin Chécht
• Recholl Breth
• Cóic Conara Fugill
• Cethairṡlicht Athgabálae
• Berrad Airechta
• Críth Gablach
• O'Davoren's Glossary
• Sechtae

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• ... that among the sources for early Irish law are bee judgements, sea judgements, sports judgements, blood-lying judgements, inadvertence judgements, wrong judgements, false judgements, judgements from a god, a shroud of judgements, five paths to judgement, four paths to distraint, the shaving of the court, the branched purchase, a glossary, and a lot of lists of seven?

• Source: Only facts used in this hook are the translations of the various titles, most which can be found in helpful lists from Charlene Eska in Cáin Lánamna and Lost and Found. For Mellbretha as "Sport judgements", see here and for Recholl Breth as "shroud of judgements" see here

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mattachine Midwest (1), Template:Did you know nominations/Bunnik Hoard (2), Template:Did you know nominations/Phoenician shipwrecks of Mazarrón (3), Template:Did you know nominations/-core (4), Template:Did you know nominations/Agnieszka Machówna (5), Template:Did you know nominations/Amazonas, o maior rio do mundo (6), Template:Did you know nominations/Théodore Beck (7), Template:Did you know nominations/Paris, Linn County, Kansas (8), Template:Did you know nominations/Henry Symeonis (9), Template:Did you know nominations/Babak Ganjei (10), Template:Did you know nominations/2024 Estlink 2 incident (11), Template:Did you know nominations/Ali-Hajji of Akusha (12), Template:Did you know nominations/Hiroshima Maidens (13), Template:Did you know nominations/Louis Malet de Graville (14), Template:Did you know nominations/Orphic Hymns (15)
  • Comment: This hook contains links to 15 articles on the vernacular texts of early Irish law (c. 750-900). I hope I've made it so that reviewing these is routine enough, please feel free to dip in and review only one.

Each article was created between 5 and 11 February (with the exception of Bechbretha, converted from a redirect on 5 February). The shortest article is Muirbretha, at ~2300 characters. The hook is over 350 characters, but that's probably as short as it could be.

Created / converted from a redirect by Tenpop421 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 15. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Tenpop421 (talk) 19:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC).

• Comment I wonder if to shorten the hook, rather than listing the judgements, it could go 'judgements on bees, etc.'? Lajmmoore (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• @Tenpop421: I've reviewed the articles now, and there's just a few where I added clairification tags, which I epxect will be quick fixes for you. As above, I think the hook could shorten, so I'll let you play around with that. Many thanks for such an interesting group of articles. Lajmmoore (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

• @Lajmmoore: Thank you for single-handedly reviewing these articles, no small task! I hope I have fixed the issues brought up in the clarification tags, and I'll hopefully get to the talk page suggestions before these articles run on the main page. As to the hook, does the following scan for you:

ALT0a ... that among the sources for early Irish law are judgments on bees, on the sea, on sports, on blood-lying, and on inadvertence; judgements which are wrong, false, shrouded, and from a god; the paths to judgement and to distraint; the shaving of the court, the branched purchase, a glossary, and a lot of lists of seven?

Best, Tenpop421 (talk)

• I think ALT0a scans well, and I've just asked for others to check I've understood the character limits in this post. Thanks for addressing all those improvements Lajmmoore (talk) 20:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

• Hook length is OK Lajmmoore (talk) 21:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

• Reviewing - I set up a table, but have not included 'eligibility other', 'policy other', or the picture ones from it. The hook probably requires discussion separate to reviewing each article, so I just kept whether it was cited in the table.

DYK checklist

Article	Newness	Length	Sourced?	Neutral?	Plagiarism free	Hook cited	QPQ	Comments	Sign
Bechbretha	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 19:55, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Muirbretha	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Mellbretha	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 20:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Bretha Crólige	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 20:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Bretha Étgid	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Anfuigell	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 20:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Gúbretha Caratniad	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 20:50, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
Bretha Déin Chécht	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 13:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Recholl Breth	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y there's two tags that need addressing	Lajmmoore (talk) 13:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Cóic Conara Fugill	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y but please fix tag for 'better'	Lajmmoore (talk) 13:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Cethairṡlicht Athgabálae	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y please address and tags	Lajmmoore (talk) 13:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Berrad Airechta	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 13:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Críth Gablach	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
O'Davoren's Glossary	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y but one tag to address	Lajmmoore (talk) 14:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Sechtae	y	y	y	y	y	y	y	Y	Lajmmoore (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

I'll start reviewing, but please do join in Lajmmoore (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

• good to go Lajmmoore (talk) 21:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

@Tenpop421: Just as an aside, one of the QPQs used (Template:Did you know nominations/Vittae) may need replacing, as per WP:QPQ, DYK reviews that are merely quickfails are usually not counted as QPQs for DYK purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Replaced with "Babak Ganjei". Tenpop421 (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Narutolovehinata5 - I didn't know that was a rule. Confirming new QPQ Lajmmoore (talk) 13:28, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

For what it's worth, that guideline is gone now thanks to the WT:DYK discussion inspired by this nom. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:29, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Historiography

No essential for the DYK, but I wondered if there was any more historiographic content that could be added here? The interpretations in the Muirbretha really add knowledge for the reader. Lajmmoore (talk) 20:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)