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Network Audio System?

As described at , and it's a package in Debian Stable. It's Layer 3, but I'm not sure whether to describe it as "proprietary" (because I haven't found a protocol description even submitted to a standards body for it) or "open standard" (because an open-source reference implementation is available). DavidLeeLambert (talk) 01:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Since it's apparently layer 3 it's not Audio over Ethernet, rather Audio over IP. Seems to be open source, possibly lacking formal protocol description. --Zac67 (talk) 07:29, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

After reading http://www.radscan.com/nas/docs/xcon94paper.ps it looks like it uses TCP for network connections (by reference to X11), so supposedly it's layer 6. --Zac67 (talk) 12:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge of IP audio codec into Audio over IP

You can't have audio over IP without a codec. Material from IP audio codec can be as a new section without WP:UNDUE. ~Kvng (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC) ~Kvng (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done by Klbrain 17 October 2020 ~Kvng (talk) 14:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Current article does not describe AoIP as understood in professional audio

This article is called audio over IP and is about audio transmission over an IP network, that is not local

However, if one searches "audio over ip" on the internet, a common term is the AES67 and Dante-style AoIP, which is mostly employed on the local network.

The Audio over Ethernet article even links to this article for more details about Layer 3 (e.g. IP) audio transmission, which this article does not explain at all.

I thought about contributing some paragraphs about AES67/Dante AoIP. Is this article suitable for that?

Mo Audio (talk) 14:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

This article was originally written in 2007 about ACIP before there were other professional audio protocols that used IP. The scope has stayed to ACIP despite the general title. On the other hand Audio over Ethernet covers several IP protocols that don't necessarily require Ethernet. Maybe move this article to Audio Contribution over IP or ACIP. Maybe move Audio over Ethernet to Audio networking or Professional audio networking or Media networking. Just throwing out some ideas. ~Kvng (talk) 23:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Moving this article to Audio Contribution over IP makes sense to me. Audio over Ethernet has technically the correct name. However, Audio Networking seems also widely used, e.g. by the Audio Engineering Society: https://aes2.org/audio-topics/audio-networking-2/

Maybe a sensible goal setting:

- Audio Networking: Overview with all Network layers, history, etc.

- Audio over Ethernet: L2 protocols like AVB, MILAN, etc.

- Audio over IP: L3 protocols like Dante, AES67, Ravenna, Wheatnet, etc. Mo Audio (talk) 06:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

I think moving Audio over IP to Audio Contribution over IP or ACIP makes sense.

I don't think it is valuable to readers to have separate articles for L2 and L3 audio protocols. In that light it probably sense to rename Audio over Ethernet. Audio networking seems like a good choice until we start thinking about video protocols which also do audio, in which case Media networking is preferable. ~Kvng (talk) 14:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Okay. So I could take "Audio over Ethernet", rename it to "Audio Networking" and write it in a way that describes L2 and L3? Though, audio networking has a bit of a broader meaning, it seems to me. If someone wants to lookup Audio over IP, how do they get directed towards the "Audio Networking" article?

I never heard the term media networking in my life and Google says it's mainly associated with marketing, not with AV over a network. But I wouldn't bother with it for now, I think it might even deserve its own article. Mo Audio (talk) 05:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Audio over Ethernet already describes L1, L2 and L3 solutions, it just needs to be broadened to non-Ethernet physical layers if we rename it Audio networking.

If we rename Audio over IP to Audio contribution over IP or ACIP, the former Audio over IP can be turned into a WP:DISAMBIG page to direct readers to Audio over Ethernet, Audio networking, Audio contribution over IP or ACIP. ~Kvng (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Finally found the time to work on Audio over Ethernet. I'm a bit confused about "non Ethernet physical layers" because Ethernet is layer 2 (Data link). Alas, I don't know of any networked audio solution that's not already mentioned in there. Do you have a link or name of such protocols? Mo Audio (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Got a big red warning on moving Audio over Ethernet page to Audio networking, but it said something about autobiographies. Probably because I choose "Mo Audio" as a name Mo Audio (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

I found the page had been moved to Audio Networking. I have moved it to Audio networking per WP:LOWERCASE. Not sure what the warning was about. I doubt it is related to your user name. ~Kvng (talk) 20:48, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Examples of non-Ethernet physical layers would include ISDN and ATM. There are many others. Protocols such as AES67 that carry data in IP packets can use these systems. Layer-2 Ethernet protocols such as CobraNet would have a harder time but could, in theory, be done with the help of EVPN, for instance. ~Kvng (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2025 (UTC)