Talk:Antin Infrastructure Partners

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Spintendo in topic Edit Request 23 November 2023

Edit Request - 31 July 2023

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Since my last change to my own edit request was reverted even though I was asked to do it, I'm not going to modify one of my edit requests again, especially not if it overrides someone else's edit.

I have already provided Wikilinks to all company articles that exist, and additional Wikilinks cannot be added. A content requirement that mandates that, if a claim about a third party is to be added to an existing article, that third party has to be individually notable for inclusion within Wikipedia per Wikipedia:NCORP for that claim to addable to that existing article, does not exist on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia:BALASP mandates that "an article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject", which, however, this article does in its current state. It mixes up investments and fundraising, and, for example, it includes only the third and fourth funds raised, but not the first, second, or fifth funds raised. My edit is an attempt at fixing the Wikipedia:BALASP issue currently present in the article.

The additions that I would like to make to the article are all well-referenced, and all POVs can be attributed to third parties, i.e., reliable secondary sources. Antin's point of view (the "purchaser's pint of view") is not relevant for any Wikipedia articles because Wikipedia is an encylopaedia based on reliable secondary sources, not on article subjects' POVs. If, however, third parties (reliable secondary sources) consider one or multiple aspects of a topic notable enough to cover them, then these sources can be cited to include said notable aspects of that topic.

I'm hereby proposing again the following edit to be made to the currently present investments section. I would like to have it replaced with a newly-written fundraising section, and a new investments section.

Cosmo2023 (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Not done: The changes are not supported by neutral, independent, reliable sources. Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  PEI, Pensions and Investments, Infrastructure Investor, Real Assets, Vicinity, Waste Dive, PV Tech, Capacity, Telecoms.com, SWFI, Media4Growth, SeeNews, MarketScreener, and JD Supra are industry-related sources which are not wholly independent of the subjects they report on. Regards,  Spintendo  18:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Edit Request – 23 August 2023

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  The edit request has been revised and improved by replacing the references mentioned with higher quality references and rephrasing some passages. Passages cited with less good references, for which no higher quality references have been found, were removed.  

 Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmo2023 (talkcontribs) 05:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

I don't see an improvement in using secondary sources. A perusal of some the sources still offered in the edit request proposal above shows the following:
  1. Private Equity Wire (ref #30) - press release
  2. Railway Age (ref #36) - press release
  3. TechFundingNews (ref #37) - editorial
  4. mergr (ref #40) - press release
  5. Finanznachrichten.de (ref #39) - press release
  6. Antin (ref #45) - company sourced information
Regards,  Spintendo  20:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Edit Request – 18 October 2023

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Hello @User:Spintendo, I have revised my Edit Request, please find the new proposal below. I've tried to remove all sources that were not independent, and whenever this was not possible, I removed the contents. You can tell from the access date which citations I changed. Are there sources left that you deem unsuited? It would be helpful if you could provide additional input if required. Best, --~~~~

Cosmo2023 (talk) 09:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Reply 20-OCT-2023

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There are a lot of remaining issues with this request.

  1. Many of the provided sources are paywalled. In those circumstances, the text from the source should be provided under the |quote= parameter of whichever citation template is used.
  2. Are there sources left that you deem unsuited There are residual sources left in the request which are reporting from press releases. Taking a couple of minutes to look at the request,[a] I found two:
    1. the French language L'Agefi source, which states as much in the title "Antin Infrastructure annonce 31 milliards d'euros d'actifs sous gestion à fin mars"
    2. The Deal.com While the parties did not disclose terms, Antin said the deal comes from its €2.2 billion ($2.3 billion) mid cap fund, which writes equity checks between €50 million ($53 million) and €300 million ($315 million).).
  3. To assist in identifying these, my suggestion would be that whenever a source states anywhere in the text "The company announced", "the company stated", "Antin said" or any such phrasing of that sort, this indicates that the information is not being spontaneously reported by a journalistic source — rather — the source is merely repeating what the company is saying about itself (known as "company-informed sources", because the source is informed of this news by company-issued press releases or statements). These should not be used in such abundance.
  4. I count a handful of mentioned companies which are still not Wikilinked
    1. Pisto
    2. Kellas Midstream
    3. Taranis
    4. Indaqua
    5. Blue Elephant Energy, etc.

Notes

  1. There are likely many more to be found in the request. It takes about 30 seconds to peruse a source's text. At that rate, it would take just over 20 minutes to peruse all 41 sources, many of which are paywalled. As a time consideration, it may behoove the COI editor if those 20 minutes were spread over time, by submitting portions of the proposed text as individual, sequential edit requests, rather than submitting them en masse.

Regards,  Spintendo  21:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Edit Request – 2 November 2023

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  Hello @User:Spintendo, I have checked every individual source and specifically looked out for the kind of phrasing you mentioned, however as it is Antin's main business model to take over other companies and sell them again, it is to be expected that not every acquisition is specifically reported on, while the ongoings still contribute to a comprehensive portrayal of the company's activities. I see your point though, and have removed sources, that are too strongly relying on press releases based on the way the information is presented. I hope the remaining sources are acceptable, I have exchanged one or two for better suited ones. As requested, I also provided quotes from the sources with paywalls, however, often the information was already stated in the beginning of the article, as the rest of the article dives more into the context around the proceedings, which would not be suitable for Wikipedia.

The companies that don't have a Wikipedia page in any language were removed completely, even if there was press coverage for some of those acquisitions.

As the number of sources has been decreased to 20, I decided to give you the whole section again, rather than splitting it up as you suggested. You will see that the text is overall shorter and really focused on the kind of business activity that meets the requirements you explained to me throughout this process. In short:

  • All sources that rely heavily on business reporting or press releases have been removed.
  • All acquisitions of companies that don’t have their own Wikipedia page (in any language) have been removed, the remaining companies are all Wikilinked
  • The sources with paywalls have been provided with a quote
  • There is no information anymore that has been taken from primary sources in any way

I hope you are happy with my amendments, and can agree with the sources following my explanation above. I am trying very hard to follow all guidelines you explained to me and improve the article and I hope my edit proves this intention. Best, --Cosmo2023 (talk) 10:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC) Reply

Best, --Cosmo2023 (talk) 10:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Reply 12-NOV-2023

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Approved

  • I have implemented the text which I felt was neutrally worded and which did not speak to future events. This text has been incorporated into the article's already-established sections, in chronological order. Regards,  Spintendo  00:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Edit Request 23 November 2023

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I would like to propse two changes. --Cosmo2023 (talk) 12:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

  • Infobox

Antin has a new team of managers:

| key_people =

  • Alain Rauscher (CEO)
  • Mélanie Biessy (COO)
  • Stéphane Ifker
  • Angelika Schöchlin
  • Kevin Genieser[1]

I know that the source is a press release, but I hope it's okay considering that "key people" is basic information?

  • Controversies section

Currently, the controversies section includes text that was directly copied from the cited BBC News article, i.e., it's a copyvio. Furthermore, Hesely Group is not independently notable in the English language Wikipedia, and Hesley Group is not owned by Antin Infrastructure partners anymore. I'm not sure whether information regarding Hesley Group should be present in this article; @User:Spintendo, maybe you can provide some help or input?

If it's decided that the section is kept, then I would suggest the following wording:

References

  1. "Antin announces leadership evolution". Yahoo Finance. 2023-11-08. Retrieved 2023-11-17.
  2. Plimmer, Gill; Louch, Will (2023-08-17). "Scandal-hit children's care homes up for sale by private equity owner". Financial Times. Retrieved 2023-11-17.
  3. "Scandal-hit care group Hesley sold to new private investor". Sky News. 2023-11-02. Retrieved 2023-11-17.
  4. "Children punched and hit over the head in care homes rated 'good'". January 24, 2023 via www.bbc.co.uk.

Cosmo2023 (talk) 12:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Partly done The |key people= included were the ones with titles given. The information regarding Hesley being put up for sale was added to the article. Regards,  Spintendo  20:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply