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Wiki Education assignment: English 102 Section 4

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 3 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): K Wilson12 (article contribs).

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What is the exact issue in the lead?

Multiple editors have been going after the first paragraph in the lead for being "political" or being not "correct" where it was at. What exactly is the issue here? Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The lead should talk about American cuisine and not other cuisines.Max22812 (talk) 08:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the issue here. It is indeed talking about American cuisine. I cannot make sense of your changes. I need a more specific explanation. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

We should make it a separate paragraph.Max22812 (talk) 08:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the need for a change. This is longstanding content and there's no reason for a move. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

We should remove Jewish and Greek because is does not influence the cuisine enough and the articles are poorly sourced. The article doesn’t have more then three sources as you can see.Max22812 (talk) 08:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

That reads like an opinion. They are immigrant cuisines that have influenced American cuisine. If their articles need better sourcing, add better sourcing. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I will separate the sentence with a paragraph of sources.Max22812 (talk) 08:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean to do here. The content as-is is fine and you haven't made a case much beyond WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:42, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Your change trashed the appearance of the article. Please revert back. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Splitting it would be easier to read.Max22812 (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

No it does not. It looks like trash now. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

"Influences" dropped in the middle of other content is ridiculous. Please revert this nonsense. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Influences are historical also it talks about natives.Max22812 (talk) 08:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Different contexts. Revert these nonsense changes. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

If we keep it as it is there won’t be anymore conflicts I can guarantee you.Max22812 (talk) 08:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The change makes no sense whatsoever. I have reported this as an incident to admins. I don't see your changes as serious. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

They are because I’ve added sources.Max22812 (talk) 08:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Contextually, it makes no sense how you dropped that in there. It has trashed the article. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Like how I said the main articles are poorly sourced if you click on it.Max22812 (talk) 08:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Irrelevant. I'm done here. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Stefan. I'm not seeing what's wrong with listing a summarized version of food influences in the lead. While I agree the lead is lackluster, I've done some work previously on trying to improve the lead, making it shorter is not the answer. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. There not being an issue with listing of food influences in the lead is half of the problem with the recent edits. The other half was taking that influences content and plopping it down in the middle of other stuff, messing up flow and context, seemingly to give an appearance they were above board, but really just to remove something they didn't like from the lead. After all, when they were the IP editor, they said it was "political". /smh. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 02:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I’ve added Arab American because Middle Eastern cuisine is popular in the United States.94.79.67.92 (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I had to remove it because that is a list of cuisine articles. Feel free to create an Arab-American cuisine article for potential inclusion. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The new lead has several issues. While the previous version was a bit list-like, it avoided making questionable claims. For example, saying "Hawaiian cuisine also reflects substantial influence from East Asian cuisine and its native Polynesian cuisine" seems to downplay the Polynesian roots, and linking to Oceanian cuisine rather than the Native Hawaiian article is confusing. The phrase "including new forms like Tex-Mex and New Mexican cuisine" is also problematic, these aren't just "new forms," but longstanding ethnic cuisines for Tejanos, Hispanos of New Mexico, and especially Pueblo natives, who wouldn’t consider their food "Latin" in the pan-Latin sense. Finally, the list now awkwardly mixes regional, ethnic, and religious cuisines. e.g., Cajun, Pennsylvania Dutch, Mormon, Tlingit, Chinese American,all without clear logic or categorization. 2601:8C0:80:7E0:598C:F5A9:18C6:B3F2 (talk) 10:54, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Incorrect origin of ingredients

"With the introduction of slavery, Africans were brought into the colonies. With them, came foods and ingredients such as bananas, peanuts, sweet potato, yams, and coffee, and cooking styles reminiscent of West African cuisines are still found in many dishes, especially in Southern cuisine."

Several of these ingredients (peanuts and sweet potato) actually originate from the Americas, so this paragraph is wrong. 2603:7000:5F00:57D:318C:266F:9C5F:70CE (talk) 23:46, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Non sequitur

It says: "the biome in which one lived often dictated what was available to catch. For example, the Apache and Navajo peoples of the Southwest, whose territories each would have included swathes of New Mexico and Arizona, generally do not eat fish because in both cultures it is taboo..."

This does not make sense. How is a taboo an example of the biome dictating availability? ~2026-13128-75 (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2026 (UTC)