Talk:Allal al-Fassi

Allal El-fassi

Arre please take a moment to read the edits I did to find that you are simply blindly reverting.

• Allal El-fassi is a poet and a writter, and the article states that he has published poems, but you revert it in contradiction to what is in the article. Is not that blindly reverting?.
• You admit that France has annexed territories from Morocco to Algeria (the Algerians admit it and don't deny it, but they hide behind "the intangibility of the frontiers inherited from Colonializm"), but you refuse the correct terminolgy in the article and insist on "that he viewed as ...". No we all, even the algerians view it like that. Is not that blindly reverting and contradiction?

--A Jalil 13:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

Again Saying that the territories of Greater Morocco were in fact a part of Morocco is POV (in addition to being untrue.) If you say that he viewed them as being a part of Morocco, that is factual and NPOV. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 16:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Sahara down to the Senegal river and Tindouf-Bechar regions have indeed been Moroccan. Many Polisario founders say it. Algeria acknowledges the territories it got from France are not its but just that the frontiers inherited from colonialism should not be altered. There is no reason in denying that.--A Jalil 18:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure And do you have any proof of this? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wael hallaq discussion on Allal al fasi in his book "Sharia theory practice and transformation"

Any one who has read this book, can you contribute your idea regarding this . 111.92.72.71 (talk) 03:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

GA review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Allal al-Fassi/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Mayouhm (talk · contribs) 07:13, 8 September 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 02:32, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

I understand this is your first GA nomination. I’ve made a number of suggestions below, which are intended to be helpful; however, please feel free to disregard any that you feel would not improve the article or support closer alignment with the guidelines. If you do choose not to follow any of these suggestions, I would ask that you briefly explain your reasoning. Borsoka (talk) 03:08, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Image review

• File:Allal Fassi (cropped).jpg: the PD tag at Commons does not reflect the image's copyright status according to the cited source.
• File:Allal al-Fassi.jpg: at Commons, the source at Commons does not verify, and the US PD tag is missing.
• File:Allal El Fassi 1949.png: further details are needed to identify the source (year of publication, publisher, identifier, such as ISBN, and page); the US PD tag is missing at Commons.
• File:Allal El Fassi 1949.png: at Commons, the source is a dead link, and the US PD tag is missing.
• File:Mekki Naciri, Abd el Jaleq Torres, Allal al Fassi, Ahmed ben Souda 1951.jpg: further details are needed to identify the source (author, year of publication, publisher, identifier, and page); the copyright status is unclear at Commons (the picture was published in a book).
• File:Arm transport meeting FLN.jpg: the source is a dead link at Commons.
• File:Allal El Fassi 1956.png: further details are needed to identify the source (year of publication, publisher, identifier, such as ISBN, and page); the US PD tag is missing at Commons.
• File:Recueil. Portraits d'Allal El Fassi, homme politique marocain (XXe s.) - btv1b85299742.jpg: the US PD tag is missing at Commons.
• File:Habib Burguiba, Abdallah Guennun y Allal El Fasi presidiendo un banquete en la ciudad de Tánger en abril de 1957.jpg: sourcing and copyright status are unclear at Commons.
• File:A meeting of Arab world revolutionaries.jpg: at Commons, the source does not verify the image, and the US PD tag is missing.
• File:Greater Morocco.svg: the map's factual accuracy is disputed at Commons. Borsoka (talk) 03:08, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

  On the map, that dispute was from 8 years ago and was just someone asking whether the map is actually a map based of a map from the source given or whoever drew that for Wikimedia's interpretation. On this page, I already have a citation going to "A History of the Western Sahara Conflict" with a drawing of the borders of the Istiqlal map. There's also the map in the book by Pennel and probably others Mayouhm (talk) 10:28, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

  • So long as Commons indicates that the map’s factual accuracy is disputed, it cannot be used in this article. Borsoka (talk) 05:51, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

    I removed the images and map for now Mayouhm (talk) 10:47, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure this is the best approach. For instance, the lack of US PD tag can fixed easily at Commons. Borsoka (talk) 04:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Truth be told, I honestly don't know too much about the US PD tag stuff. I had a feeling that images like File:Recueil. Portraits d'Allal El Fassi, homme politique marocain (XXe s.) - btv1b85299742.jpg that only had the US PD tag missing could probably get restored but just not too sure how to do it Mayouhm (talk) 11:08, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Neither do I know which US PD tag could be used, so I request @Nikkimaria: for advice. Borsoka (talk) 01:28, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

US PD tagging is typically based on date of publication. If you know the date, you can use this chart to identify the correct tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:30, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

How do I figure out whether an image like File:Recueil. Portraits d'Allal El Fassi, homme politique marocain (XXe s.) - btv1b85299742.jpg was published in compliance with US formalities or only published abroad? Mayouhm (talk) 11:28, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

You may wish to seek advice on this at Wikipedia:Teahouse, where they can point you towards the appropriate WikiProject or editor. I will place the article on hold while you address the points above. Please ping me when you are finished. If I do not hear from you, I will close the review in early February. Borsoka (talk) 06:04, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

@Mayouhm: have you sought and received assistance as suggested above? Borsoka (talk) 04:32, 27 January 2026 (UTC)

Yes. I asked for the image I asked about and it seems to not be in the public domain. It's currently nominated for deletion Mayouhm (talk) 12:57, 27 January 2026 (UTC)

@Mayouhm: could you let me know the current status of the article? Borsoka (talk) 09:33, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I changed the lead image to the 1930s picture which is in the public domain and the map is back Mayouhm (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

• File:Allal al-Fassi.jpg: US PD tag is needed. Borsoka (talk) 05:15, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

  Doesn't the Polish PD tag come with a US PD tag? Mayouhm (talk) 09:37, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

Source review

• Some sources are listed in the “Sources” section, while others are cited only as references (for example, references 3, 4, and 5). Is there a specific reason for this distinction? Borsoka (talk) 03:08, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

  A source I would only cite from a specific page/set of pages rather than one I would cite throughout multiple pages I did not put in the sources section. Do I need to make all the citations with Harvnb or everything with normal {{Cite etc.}} template? I assumed you could use both since I've seen good and featured articles use both simultaneously? Mayouhm (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Status query

Borsoka, Mayouhm, what is the status of this review? What is left to be done on the reviewer and nominator sides before it is finished? It would be great to get this moving again, given that it is over three months since the review was opened. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

• Thank you for pinging me. Borsoka (talk) 05:14, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

Comments

The article requires a thorough copy-edit to improve concision and avoid repetition. Some examples from the first section are given below:

• Muhammad Allal al-Fassi was born in Fes on 10 January 1910 to a prominent bourgeois Andalusian family claiming descent from Uqba ibn Nafi and a companion of the Islamic prophet Muhammad which produced hundreds of Islamic scholars known as the Fassi Fihri family. Rephrase in a more idiomatic, encyclopaedic style and divide the sentence into two.
• His father, Abd al-Wahid al-Fassi, was a judge, grand mufti, doctor of divinity at and curator of the library of Qarawiyyin. Abd al-Wahid was also a merchant who founded the Nasiriyyah Free School in Fes. He served as the mufti of Fes and the imam at the Royal Mosque in Fes. Trim for conciseness; detailed coverage of his father’s life is unnecessary.
• At the age of 5, he entered a Quranic school. Who?
• He memorized the Quran by the age of 7. I am not sure I understand it.
• Before attending Qarawiyyin at the age of 14,... Beginning in 1924, he studied at the University of al-Qarawiyyin... Repetition of the same info.
• ...his father founded Repetition of info previously mentioned.

Please ping me when the copyedit is completed. Borsoka (talk) 05:14, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

@Borsoka I did the copyedit. However, I am not sure what confuses you about "He memorized the Quran by the age of 7." Mayouhm (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

@Borsoka (I realise now I did not ping) Mayouhm (talk) 09:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

@Mayouhm and Borsoka: Where are we at with this review? Is this ready to be promoted? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 14:28, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

• Apologies, I have been extremely busy recently. I will be able to resume the review on Monday or Tuesday. Borsoka (talk) 03:17, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

• @Borsoka: Reminder ping. Z1720 (talk) 02:26, 1 June 2026 (UTC)