Talk:2025 The Hague NATO summit

Requested move 23 March 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to a variation. There is consensus to include "NATO" in the titles of these articles. Most opposition was conditional on retaining the city names, so I see a rough consensus in favor of the format "[year] [city] NATO summit". I see no consensus on what to do with the exceptions, which are the extraordinary summits and the 2002 Rome summit, so those can be BOLDly moved or discussed in a more targeted RM in future. (closed by non-admin page mover) Toadspike [Talk] 13:30, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

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• 2025 The Hague summit → 2025 NATO summit2025 NATO summit
• 2024 Washington summit → 2024 NATO summit2024 NATO summit
• 2023 Vilnius summit → 2023 NATO summit2023 NATO summit
• 2022 Madrid summit → 2022 NATO summit
• 2022 Brussels summit → March 2022 extraordinary NATO summit
• 2022 NATO virtual summit → February 2022 extraordinary NATO summit
• 2021 Brussels summit → 2021 NATO summit2021 NATO summit
• 2019 London summit → 2019 NATO summit2019 NATO summit
• 2018 Brussels summit → 2018 NATO summit
• 2017 Brussels summit → 2017 NATO summit
• 2016 Warsaw summit → 2016 NATO summit2016 NATO summit
• 2015 NATO emergency meeting → 2015 NATO special meeting
• 2014 Wales summit → 2014 NATO summit2014 NATO summit
• 2012 Chicago summit → 2012 NATO summit2012 NATO summit
• 2010 Lisbon summit → 2010 NATO summit2010 NATO summit
• 2009 Strasbourg–Kehl summit → 2009 NATO summit2009 NATO summit
• 2008 Bucharest summit → 2008 NATO summit2008 NATO summit
• 2006 Riga summit → 2006 NATO summit2006 NATO summit
• 2005 NATO Headquarters summit → 2005 NATO summit
• 2004 Istanbul summit → 2004 NATO summit2004 NATO summit
• 2002 Rome summit → 2002 NATO–Russia summit
• 2002 Prague summit → 2002 NATO summit
• 2001 NATO Headquarters summit → 2001 NATO special meeting
• 1999 Washington summit → 1999 NATO summit
• 1997 Madrid summit → 1997 NATO summit
• 1994 Brussels summit → 1994 NATO summit
• 1991 Rome summit → 1991 NATO summit
• 1990 London summit → 1990 NATO summit
• December 1989 Brussels summit → December 1989 NATO summit
• 1988 Brussels summit → 1988 NATO summit
• 1985 Brussels summit → 1985 NATO summit
• 1982 Bonn summit → 1982 NATO summit
• 1978 Washington summit → 1978 NATO summit
• 1977 London summit → 1977 NATO summit
• 1975 Brussels summit → 1975 NATO summit
• 1974 Brussels summit → 1974 NATO summit
• 1957 Paris summit → 1957 NATO summit
• 2022 NATO summit → 2022 NATO summit (disambiguation)

– Per WP:UCRN: "[year] NATO summit" is a more recognizable title format, rather than mentioning the host city/location. The meetings in 2001 and 2015 were commonly referred to as 'special meetings' (; ), while the meetings in February and March 2022 were 'extraordinary summits' (; ). The title 'NATO–Russia summit' was used for the 2002 Rome summit (see ; ; ). — Ætoms ^[talk] 22:13, 23 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 18:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Garsh (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Requested move of associated dab to 2022 NATO summit (disambiguation). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 07:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Makes more sense indeed Dajasj (talk) 09:55, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

In addition to my comments below, I don't think there are many other examples of conferences that don't mention the organisation, for example 2024 G20 Rio de Janeiro summit, 5th European Political Community Summit, 2024 Bilderberg Conference, APEC Peru 2024, 2024 Vibrant Gujarat Global Summit (Category:2024 conferences). Dajasj (talk) 18:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Can't see why the location of the summit shouldn't be mentioned in the title. The host city of is mentioned on the NATO website in the official texts (see), the location is also mentioned in most summit logos (since 1994, at least from what I've seen). Alin2808 (talk) 13:34, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I think it is mainly problematic that is unclear from the title that it is a NATO summit. I believe mentioning NATO (and the year) is more important than the host city. The city could be added, but that would make it less concise.

It also somewhat makes sense that the city is named in official texts and logos, because countries want the attention after spending so much on the summit. However because it is in the text from NATO, it is already obvious that it refers to a NATO summit. Dajasj (talk) 13:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

How about mentioning both the location and the fact that it was a NATO summit? I don't see how that would make it less concise. That way we follow both the official texts and clarify that it's a NATO summit. Alin2808 (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe it would it make it unnecessarily long. There are also many official pages that don't include the city in the title (but in the text), for example: , , Dajasj (talk) 14:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with @Alin2808. Stating a full title might be long, but it seems like the best option. Only listing NATO and the year will not distinguish the summits from each other very well. Only listing the location and the year will make the subject of the summit unclear. Alexander vee (talk) 22:41, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, it also helps in distinguishing the summits. Take for example the three 2022 summits. The proposed titles of "March 2022 extraordinary NATO summit" and "February 2022 extraordinary NATO summit" are a lot more unnecessarily long than the current titles. Alin2808 (talk) 22:46, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Which would become even longer if we add the city? I'm btw not opposed to the proposal as a compromise, but I prefer AEtoms proposal. Dajasj (talk) 06:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose I don't see why it would be sensible not to include the city in the title, and a title in the format [year] NATO [city] summit would be quite clunky. — 🦅White-tailed eagle^{Talk to the eagle}Stalking eagle 22:12, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Support Clearly more recognisable. I’m not seeing a persuasive reason to retain the city name.

Rafts of Calm (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

I agree with the movement to a new name. I think it would be more clear than as it is now.

FakTNeviM (talk) 13:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

However, I have a different proposal. A possible compromise in naming standard

e.g. 2025 The Hague summit (NATO) So we only add a bracket specifying the organisation. FakTNeviM (talk) 13:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Provide redirects from the proposed new names, certainly (a few are already in place), that would be helpful. And a List of NATO summit conferences would be helpful too, with a brief summary of the main points of each. But the current names are more recognisable than the proposals, and unambiguous. Andrewa (talk) 01:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

  This list already exists on NATO Summit (although perhaps not in the form you want). I have added a redirect. Dajasj (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Gather more consensus. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 18:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as nominated, since this appears to capture some different classes of issues. The concern about the city titles is merely that they are not specified as NATO summits, which is a very different concern from the various titles already containing NATO, which should have a separate discussion. For the cities, I think that in any given year there will be all sorts of events that can be described as "summits" and every major city in the world, and the best outcome would be to add NATO to the titles without removing the city name so, for example, 1991 Rome NATO summit. BD2412 T 17:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

  I support this suggestion for the 1991 Rome NATO summit approach suggested above by several editors. Rafts of Calm (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

  I support the suggestion by BD2412 for this naming convention for all the NATO summits. NerdyEpiscopalian (talk) 22:38, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Unless the summits are overwhelmingly known by the city names in sources, I support the proposal. Same reason as why 2024 Summer Olympics is preferred over "2024 Paris Games" or the like. It helps consistency and recognizability. No opinion on whether or not to include both city and NATO in title. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: This discussion is nearing two months old and may be approaching no consensus. Garsh (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as proposed instead move all title sot (mmm) yyyy NATO (extraordinary) summit in xyz, the current placename part moves to the end -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Implementation

I have moved most of the pages per my close above. I skipped some:

• 2022 Brussels summit, as an extraordinary summit
• 2022 NATO virtual summit, as an extraordinary summit
• 2015 NATO emergency meeting, as an emergency meeting
• 2005 NATO Headquarters summit, because it is named for a building, not a city, and already has "NATO" in the title
• 2001 NATO Headquarters summit, same reason
• 2002 Rome summit, because it was an exceptional summit that included Russia
• 2022 NATO summit, because this is a disambiguation page.

I am leaving these open for bold moves or further discussion. I will also note that I have not updated the bold text in the lead of each article, since it doesn't seem necessary to me when the titles are descriptive. If you disagree, you may update the bold text to match the titles. Toadspike [Talk] 14:31, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Ætoms@Rotideypoc41352@Dajasj@Alin2808@Alexander vee@WhiteTailedEagle@Rafts of Calm@FakTNeviM@Andrewa@BD2412@NerdyEpiscopalian@CX Zoom. Pings. Toadspike [Talk] 14:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

@Toadspike: Thank you for closing the discussion. I boldly moved the following skipped pages:

• 2022 Brussels summit → 2022 Brussels extraordinary NATO summit
• 2022 NATO virtual summit → 2022 virtual extraordinary NATO summit
• 2005 NATO Headquarters summit → 2005 Brussels NATO summit
• 2001 NATO Headquarters summit → 2001 NATO special meeting
• 2002 Rome summit → 2002 Rome NATO–Russia summit

I also proposed 2005 Brussels NATO summit and 2001 NATO special meeting for deletion, since they contain very little information and do not clearly meet Wikipedia's notability guideline. — Ætoms ^[talk] 18:09, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Ætoms. These new titles seem in line with the consensus that developed in the RM. I guess the matter is now resolved. Toadspike [Talk] 18:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: WRIT 1150-19

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2025 and 2 May 2025. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Woc9 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Woc9 (talk) 12:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Planned Edits

I am planning on making several changes and edits to this article in the coming weeks. Firstly, the article has many instances where additional information and sentences could be added to provide more context to the topics being discussed. I will focus first on solidifying the content that is already there before I move to added more sections. I would like to add new sections about what the upcoming Summit plans to discuss. Because these meetings only happen during periods of international strife, there are multiple articles online detailing the potential agenda for discussion. Another section I would like to add is a short history on different summits in the Hague. Finally, I would like to add a section about legacy. Because the summit has not happened yet, this will most likely be a shorter paragraph about the reputation of past Hague Summits. Moreover, I plan on vastly increasing and changing the current sources that are listed in the references section. A large portion of the links no longer work or are hidden behind a paywall. Additionally, many of these sources are in polish and danish. I have compiled a list of similar sources with english translations that I will add so that english readers can also validate the article. Please see my annotated bibliography in the bibliography sandbox on the Wikipedia dashboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Woc9/2025_The_Hague_summit/Bibliography&action=edit Woc9 (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Woc9, welcome to Wikipedia! You have been assigned a difficult topic however, because it has not taken place yet. I think it would be wise to read WP:CRYSTAL. It's also important to note that these meetings not only happen durings periods of international strife, but yearly (see NATO summit). I also saw you included a UNESCO link in your bibliography that talks about the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict, but I don't see how they are related (and if they are, please include a source which makes the link). It is a bit unfortunate that the article does not include "NATO" in the title, but that is being adressed above. It's also not just an international event, so it remains important to keep information about how it impacts the Netherlands. The sources are btw Dutch, not Polish and Danish (and check out WP:PAYWALL and WP:NONENG).

I hope this helps, let me know if you have any other questions. Dajasj (talk) 14:04, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback! I am still learning so I will straighten out these errors! Woc9 (talk) 13:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Needs tag AI generated tag

A lot of the references (see 17 through 28, for example) to the NATO website do not exist (they are all 404). Some of the content was incorrect (did not even mention the exemption for Spain, but said they agreed to 5% which is wrong; Spain said they will eventually contribute 2.6%). I tried to clean-up what I could, but this article (same as most of the other articles on this NATO summit) also needs the AI-generated tag. I am going to put it in place now. --FeralOink (talk) 11:39, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

I think we should simply remove these paragraphs and the other articles on this topic which also have this template. So far, no one has done anything with these tags anyway Dajasj (talk) 12:02, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

FeralOink & Dajasj, I also support removing the policy-violating content entirely. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure which specific parts you're looking at. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 02:59, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

Thebiguglyalien & Dajasj I'm okay with removing the policy-violating content too. The problem is that there are over 100 cited sources in the article. I spent a few hours back on New Year's Eve 2025 to check several dozen of them. Thebiguglyalien the parts that I was referring to were everything sourced to references numbered 17 through 28 see my original comment above. There may be more. Removing the associated content without totally trashing the article will be challenging. If anyone wants to give it a try rather than tagging the article, I have no objections. (Sigh... these LLMs are exhausting to clean up after.)--FeralOink (talk) 05:25, 15 January 2026 (UTC)

These links used to directly link to special pages on the Nato website that were taken down by the organisation later. It was not an LLM that put them in, but a human. ~2026-73203-0 (talk) 17:40, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

For example, references 17 through 28 support this part of the article content:

"A key agenda item concerned reaffirming United States commitment to NATO, particularly in light of President Donald Trump’s earlier expressions of skepticism regarding the alliance. Secretary General Mark Rutte placed emphasis on direct consultations with Trump in order to secure U.S. backing for the proposed 5% GDP defense spending target. The program for the June 25 session was deliberately condensed to approximately two and a half hours, enabling the alliance to concentrate on major decisions while reducing the likelihood of procedural or political disruptions.^[16][17]

The 2025 Hague NATO Summit’s agenda was a strategic blend of immediate priorities (Ukraine support, U.S. engagement) and long-term goals (higher defense spending, industrial cooperation),^[18] positioning NATO to address both current and emerging security challenges.

The agenda of the summit was chronologically as follows;

Monday 23 June

• NATO Secretary General meets with the Prime Minister of the Netherlands^[19]
• Pre-Summit press conference by the Secretary General^[20][21]

Tuesday 24 June

• Secretary General's address at the NATO Public Forum^[22][23][24]
• NATO Secretary General meets the Prime Minister of Albania^[25]
• Signing ceremony at the NATO Summit Defence Industry Forum^[26]
• Short remarks by the Secretary General and the President of Ukraine^[27][28]"

I don't know if this is comprehensive. Are more of the source refs in the article also hallucinated? I got tired after checking 11 of them. --FeralOink (talk) 05:41, 15 January 2026 (UTC)