Draft talk:Herbert Theledi

AI-generated tag

I moved this page back to mainspace, after it had been moved into mainspace by the author. It is most likely generated by an LLM, which should not be done per WP:NEWLLM. After spot-checking two sourced, I found source-to-text issues:

• Some of his properties include [..] Elukwatini Crossin Shopping Complex in Nhlazatshe

  This is sourced to an opinion piece in iol.co.za (which has no consensus for use in BLP article). The opinion piece does not even mention Herbert Theledi -- but it was written by him.
• The sentence continues with:

  which he built in the 1990s with DS Mkhwanazi

  This is then source to an worldcat.org search that returns either a HTTP 400 error with "Oops, something went wrong", or sometimes HTTP 404 with an empty JSON response body: {}.

--Gurkubondinn (talk) 18:33, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

My friend, the IOL article confirms Theledi's ownership of Elukwatini Crossin Shopping Complex, not the things you say. Pls re-read the article. Then the DS Mkhwanazi biography is now fixed. ZS Khumalo (talk) 19:00, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

The only mentions of him is the byline up top (and then repeated at the bottom)? Where does it talk about him? If it does talk about him without naming him then this is WP:SELFPUB anyway.

And did you write this yourself, or was this generated by an LLM? --Gurkubondinn (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

Then the DS Mkhwanazi biography is now fixed

Are you talking about a different draft? This BLP draft is for Herbert Theledi.

This is the only mention of the shopping complex:

One successful commercial project is Elukwatini Crossing in Mpumalanga. It’s Elukwatini’s regional shopping centre, a 26000m² development comprising three anchors: Spar, Shoprite and Boxer.

The opinion piece does not mention an DS Mkhwanazi either, nor does it mention the 1990s (only the year 2009 is mentioned). Nhlazatshe is not mentioned either (though Elukwatini might be a different name for it) and the opinion piece instead says that the shopping center is located in Mpumalanga.

So what gives, ZS Khumalo? Can you explain to me what I am not seeing here? --Gurkubondinn (talk) 20:20, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

I take offense in you suggesting that I used AI to write the article.

We are here arguing about the IOL opinion piece by Herbert.

I wrote a biographical article on Herbert, and I mention the number of properties built by his Nthoese Developments company ZS Khumalo (talk) 05:12, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

I wrote..."Some of his properties include the Bambanani Shopping Center in Diepsloot, the Thulamahashe Mall in Bushbuckridge [Added Source Confirming Thulamahashe], the Gcuwa Mall in Butterworth [Added Source to confirm Gcuwa] and Elukwatini Crossin Shopping Complex in Nhlazatshe,[Added Source to confirm Nhlazatshe] which he built in the 1990s with DS Mkhwanazi. [I added biography to confirm his partnership with DS Mkhwanazi; I have the copy of the book, I will supply page number shortly] ZS Khumalo (talk) 05:23, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

For me it sounds like you cannot point out an article written by an AI and I think you need a lot of training in that regard, because for a reviewer to make wild accusations should not be allowed across Wikimedia projects. It damages our spirit enthusiasm and reputation as volunteers.

This must stop. ZS Khumalo (talk) 05:26, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Just a reminder that you should not cast WP:ASPERSIONS about others. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 13:45, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

This is a different page, but this is pretty icontrovertible proof that you have been using LLM's on Wikipedia to write articles: Diff/1290554474. Are you saying that this was something that you only did once, or have otherwise stopped since? --Gurkubondinn (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

You still have not explained how you believe that this source supports the claim that you sourced to it. It does not support that claim, and as I have pointed out to you many times over now, this article was written by the subject of this draft, it is not about the subject. A very generous reading here is that you did not write it yourself, but that you asked an LLM to generate it for you. If you write it yourself, then this is a WP:CIR issue. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 13:45, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

No, you sourced a claim about a property to an opinion piece written by Herbert Theledi in a draft about Herbert Theledi. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 13:48, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

Okay delete the article then, if that's what you wish to do. I will no longer engage you further; I don't think I get you or find you to be of any use. ZS Khumalo (talk) 05:07, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Can you please just answer the questions?

1. Since you insist that you wrote this yourself, why did you think that an opinions piece written by the subject was an acceptable source?
2. Have you pasted LLM output into Wikipedia anywhere other than in Diff/1290554474?

Both of these are things that you have insisted on inserting to mainspace, and the WP:ONUS is on you to explain both of them. Communicating (or being WP:CIVIL) is not optional on Wikipedia. --Gurkubondinn (talk) 10:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)