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Rockingham abbreviation

Unless any of you are opposed, I'm going to use AWB to change the abbreviation for Rockingham to ROC on every article that has a NASCAR table. There has been much discussion in the past of track abbreviations but I'd be surprised if anyone's opposed to this one specifically. Electricmemory (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

What other abbreviation is currently being used? glman (talk) glman (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

CAR, which isn't specific enough, and could cause confusion with Carolina Speedway or other tracks. ROC is specific and doesn't cause potential confusion with anything else. Electricmemory (talk) 17:45, 9 April 2026 (UTC)

@Finn Shipley you should be involved here Brycenrichter (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

The thing I'm seeing is that Carolina Speedway doesn't have an article on here, and that CAR's been used as an abbreviation from Rockingham's old name (North Carolina Speedway), so if it's for the sake of consistency we should probably change it to ROC Finn Shipley (talk) 00:37, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Should the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series and seasons be moved to NASCAR Truck Series?

I saw the move made by @Electricmemory this morning, and I'm wondering, should we just use "NASCAR Truck Series" for all the truck series, as using "Craftsman" and "Camping World" could be a WP:promo violation? – MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 11:28, 14 April 2026 (UTC) (Updated 11:32, 14 April 2026 (UTC))

Yes. We had a discussion here about it last fall and it led nowhere, but using sponsored names in titles is a WP:NOTPROMO issue, and unnecessary anyways, because other racing series on Wiki get by just fine without putting sponsor names in titles Electricmemory (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Instead, for now put “Known as the “2026 NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series” for sponsorship reasons” in the first line as I have done with the 2026 page. Electricmemory (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Also need “Monster Energy” removed from the 2017-2019 Cup pages. As for Buschfinityparts no clue what to do there?

need to agree on Grand National or something Electricmemory (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Just @ those who were in the conversation last fall about this subject. @Nascar9919, @GhostOfDanGurney, @Glman, @The Bushranger, @Brycenrichter, and @45BearsFan. – MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 15:07, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

@Electricmemory @MysticCipher87(alt-account) With that move, should we also move the Coke 600 to the World 600?? I do agree with that move, however i don't know what we should do with the 2026 xfinity/o'reilly/whatever we're calling it. 45BearsFan (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

and commonnames like BPS night race to Bristol Night Race and stuff like that 45BearsFan (talk) 15:17, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Eh, with that, I feel like the Coca-Cola 600 should stay as the Coca-Cola 600, as it's still the name that's been used for 36 years and is still being used today vs the World 600 which was only used for 25 years. – MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

I feel like we could move the night race to the "Bristol Night Race" assuming we get to a consensus, as i believe that's the generic commonname, and BPS just became the sponsor in 2016. 45BearsFan (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Exactly. Bristol Night Race is a far more common name than the bass pro shops Electricmemory (talk) 15:43, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Could we see the data on this, or is it just your opinion? We have to be basing this on facts, not what we see/think. I tend to think you may be right now about the night race. glman (talk) 17:11, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

On the issue of second-tier series sponsor, I've noticed that @XfinityRacing on Twitter refers themselves as "Grand National Series sponsor emeritus". So is it go to use the term "NASCAR Grand National Series" for it, insofar NASCAR has not officially used the term since 2003? FMecha (to talk|to see log) 20:46, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

And to that end, I did set up the "NASCAR second-tier series" (with dash and dashless) redirect, just in case we take the nuclear option for that. FMecha (to talk|to see log) 20:49, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

No. That is very clearly not the WP:COMMONNAME in independent, reliable sources. glman (talk) 14:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

No. This is not a WP:PROMO violation. There is no issue with using sponsored names, you can see it across Wikipedia on arenas, buildings, and sports leagues. glman (talk) 15:30, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Also, if anyone wants to propose a move, you should honestly just start that discussion as a proposal on the page. That will attract outside input, which would be very helpful for this community. We have a massive issue with undiscussed moves, and editors need to start opening actual discussions. glman (talk) 15:33, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

@Glman Those arenas, buildings and sports leagues are further issues of their own, not the rule. Plus as I mentioned NASCAR is really the only motorsport on Wikipedia that uses sponsor names so extensively. Sponsor names which were paid for solely as promotional vehicles for the company. Electricmemory (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Again, nothing in WP:PROMO prohibits using common names when they include entitlement sponsorships. glman (talk) 15:46, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

WP:NOTPROMO pretty blatantly says that Wikipedia articles are not to be used as an extension of a company’s marketing efforts. All these are are marketing efforts. Electricmemory (talk) 15:46, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

And including common names when they are entitled names is not using Wikipedia as a sponsorship effort. PROMO refers to a person with or supporting a company adding information without reliable sourcing. I think it would be helpful to bring this discussion to a larger audience, not just NASCAR WikiProject, because it keeps coming up. Could be good for a Village Pump. glman (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Is it even the common name, though? Nobody not involved with media or the series directly refers to it as the “Craftsman Truck Series”. It’s just the “Truck Series”. Electricmemory (talk) 15:50, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

We've discussed this before when it's been proposed on the page, and reliable sources still primarily call it the "Craftsman Truck Series". glman (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Craftsman pays NASCAR to use their name in all its media. It's therefore no surprise that most reliable sources use this name, as they are simply copying NASCAR's directive as the organizer. Mark McWire (talk) 16:21, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

We don't look at NASCAR media, but independent sources. glman (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

There are no independent sources. In commercial sports, all sources always refer to official statements or statements from the broadcasting media. Mark McWire (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Mark is correct here. There are no fully independent sources to base this on. IMO COMMONNAME needs to be ignored in this case as this is an uncommon situation. Electricmemory (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Ignoring common name here does nothing to improve Wikipedia (WP:NOTIAR). Again, it does not violate PROMO, and it does not improve usability, and consensus is not there repeatedly. We are veering into WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT - and that's why we should go to the helpdesk or village pump for outside opinions on PROMO. glman (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, no. Neither JUSTDONTLIKEIT or NOTIAR apply here. Quite the opposite, situations like this are exactly what IAR is for. See WP:IARUNCOMMON. And consensus is not going your way at the moment. Electricmemory (talk) 19:23, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Consensus isn't a vote, and this isn't an actual page move discussion. Again, we need to take this to the pump to get clarification on PROMO, or you're welcome to open an actual page move discussion on the appropriate page. We're just throwing essays back and forth now. glman (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

I'm coming around to Truck Series renaming, I can see the argument - but not because PROMO prohibits all entitlement article titles, because I'd bet "truck series" is common enough and allows for less moves. I'd encourage you to open a page move proposal on that page. glman (talk) 20:16, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

It's quite simple: Sponsored titles are essentially a form of linguistic product placement. The sponsor expects a product or name to be mentioned as often as possible. That's what they pay for. Because of this constant repetition in the media, it becomes a common name. Ultimately, Wikipedia is essentially giving Craftsman free advertising simply by adopting the purchased name. Mark McWire (talk) 17:50, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Again, this is not what WP:PROMO says. As I mentioned, we need to open this discussion at the village pump or elsewhere to get outside opinions on that policy. glman (talk) 18:35, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are not an extension of the marketing efforts of any person or organization... which it does say. Pretty clearly. A village pump discussion could be had but as a separate discussion from NASCAR specifically. Electricmemory (talk) 13:06, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I opened a village pump discussion, referencing this. They agreed that PROMO does not prohibit these titles, but if shorter and sponsor less names can be established as common names, then they are appropriate with a page move discussion. glman (talk) 13:08, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

@Electricmemory Are you going to proceed with a page move discussion at Talk:NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series? Since it has been discussed before, there must be a discussion before moving - and in that discussion we can check common name. As I said, I'm potentially open to supporting a move with that evidence. I can start looking at results in news coverage. glman (talk) 13:14, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I already started assembling it in a sandbox. Getting there. Electricmemory (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Perfect! I was looking back at the last one that was consensus not moved, and I was convincing myself there too, but another user was also opposed. I'll see what data I can pull when I have a break. glman (talk) 13:19, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

However, others and myself have already mentioned that COMMONNAME is not a reliable indicator in this instance as media sources follow NASCAR's naming directive, which does not reflect the actual COMMONNAME among general fans. Electricmemory (talk) 13:19, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

COMMONNAME does not refer to what we see people saying, but what is being used in reliable sources. A shortcoming? Perhaps. But it's part of WP:V and avoiding WP:OR. NASCAR cannot force media sources to use their preferred name. glman (talk) 13:23, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

NASCAR doesn't need to force the media. That happens inevitably through constant repetition. Mark McWire (talk) 13:38, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Yup. Media that covers a sport for a long period of time, and enjoys preferred access to said sport, naturally are going to follow the organizer's own example. Electricmemory (talk) 13:45, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Again, regardless of our opinions, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES is clear - we use WP:V sources, not WP:OR. We do not determine common name based on what we feel is correct, but based on independent, reliable sources. That's why arenas have entitlements in their name. PROMO does not prohibit this, and it would be violating NPOV to change it despite what is most commonly used in independent reliable sources. glman (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I am generally against using sponsored titles of events, racetracks, and other things as lemmas. I already had a problem back then with "Lowes Motor Speedway," "Infineon Raceway," or "Auto Club Speedway." Mark McWire (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

NASCAR with Sponsors

• Yearly Series Pages:

i say we keep it as it is. When NASCAR was sponsored by Winston. Nextel, Sprint, and Monster Energy, they had "year nascar sponsor series". so did o’reilly with Busch, Nationwide, Xfinity and the Trucks with Camping World and Gander.

• Race Pages with Sponsors

I am i HUGE fan of merging pages with two races at a track into one separate (like what ive done with Las Vegas, Atlanta, New Hampshire, and North Wilkesboro). Charlotte and Daytona 'MIGHT' be good (coca-cola 600 and coke zero sugar 400)like what we did with removing sponsors on race teams, maybe remove past sponsors.

thats my thoughts, let me know. Brycenrichter (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Remove the sponsored things we can easily remove (From Cup and Truck season titles, and race pages except Charlotte and Daytona) and leave for now the ones we can't easily change (Xfinity/Oreilly). It's not difficult at all to move pages. I can do it myself. We just need to figure it out. Electricmemory (talk) 20:58, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

ive done some before, i will be doing kansas right now Brycenrichter (talk) 00:56, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Please stop moving and merging pages without discussions on those pages to get local consensus. glman (talk) 13:00, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Nobody else had a problem with it apart from you. Consensus isn't always required to move everything.Electricmemory (talk) 13:02, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

No one was asked, and consensus is required. I am asking that these disruptive page moves be discussed, as is Wikipedia policy. Being bold is fine, but discussion is necessary if there is disagreement. glman (talk) 13:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Nothing about them was disruptive in any manner. Bold page moves are permitted without prior discussion, per policy, and are not considered "disruptive". Electricmemory (talk) 13:09, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Bold page moves are permitted, and when objections exist, reverting those bold moves and having a discussion is the process. glman (talk) 13:10, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Correct, but that doesn't make the original action in any way disruptive. Electricmemory (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I understand the misunderstanding here - I typed quickly and was referring to undiscussed move wars. We've seen those before - when controversial, it's better to discuss. I should not have used the word "disruptive" because it has a specific meaning here. glman (talk) 13:21, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I don't see an issue with keeping races that have had the same/similar name for a long time, maybe 10 to 15 years max, as that's usually what an outside reader looks up. If they are changing their name every year, then merging and renaming would be understandable. – MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 13:06, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Redirect all race names to "NASCAR (insert series) at (insert track)". Electricmemory (talk) 13:07, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Again, there has been no RFC for this, and there is no consensus to do this. Do not proceed without an RFC here or local page discussions. We have had discussions before and consensus was that there was no need to move all pages without local discussions. glman (talk) 13:09, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

For example, an unacceptable move would be Toyota/Save Mart 350 to Cup Series race at Sonoma, or the Coke 600 gets merged with Bank of America 400 and gets renamed to "NASCAR Cup Series Race at Charlotte Motor Speedway". – MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 13:13, 15 April 2026 (UTC)(updated 13:19, 15 April 2026 (UTC))

And this difference of opinion is why these page moves are potentially controversial and if we discuss those moves, we get outside opinions and the move with *stick*. glman (talk) 13:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Merging is slightly different than moving, and will require its own separate discussion at a different point. We're not there yet. Electricmemory (talk) 13:17, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I am just emphasizing that users should refrain from these undiscussed move and merges, because when they are discussed, they are virtually always controversial/require discussion to reach consensus. glman (talk) 13:22, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

• When it comes to articles covering the entire history of the Truck Series there's a WP:PRECISE issue, where the title under one particular sponsor isn't covering the history of the series under other sponsors. When it comes to articles about individual seasons there's still issues with WP:CONCISION and WP:COMMONNAME, where "NASCAR Truck Series" is both more concise and is at-least as commonly-used a name as the full sponsored titles. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 21:45, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

  I agree - I think I'd be in favor of a move in a page discussion. glman (talk) 13:16, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

• For reference, linking the question I posed at the Village Pump: Do article titles with an entitlement sponsor violate WP:PROMO. Helpful to see independent thoughts. They won me over for Truck Series, but also consensus appears to be that COMMONNAME outweighs PROMO, and it just depends - as we all know, haha. PROMO does not seem to be interpreted to *require* removal of sponsors from article titles as a blanket. glman (talk) 13:41, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  as craftsman enters a contract year over the title sponsor, (assuming they dont renew the title or we just reach a concensus (this wouldve been huge when the truck series went from gander > gander rv & outdoors > camping world)) should we wait until november to make the move (look at when the GEICO 500 went to Jack Link's 500 in 2024) or should we just open a discussion now? (i also didn't read much of the discussion as of typing this) 45BearsFan (talk) 15:15, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  I don't see any reason not to open a discussion now. The "worst" that could happen is the consensus is not to move for now and to wait till then. glman (talk) 15:59, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  Agreed, I'm down to open a discussion on the truck page and see where that goes from there. If it doesn't go anywhere we could just re-open it if/when a new title sponsor gets announced. 45BearsFan (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  Working on a move discussion (long text) but that covers only moving the Truck pages. Others will need to be had on the rest of this mess Electricmemory (talk) 17:35, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

  Why not start with a move discussion of the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series page first? There seems like there may be consensus for that and it can be proposed easily (especially as compared to a wide-ranging naming convention). glman (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:SPORT § Removal of "programs"

 You are invited to join the discussion at WT:SPORT § Removal of "programs", which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Left guide (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

nascar chase

hi everyone, me and 45BearsFan have been making NASCAR race pages for the rest of the year (including the Chase).

on my sandbox, i made a draft for the Chase article (similar to 2009) incase yall want to help. Brycenrichter (talk) 18:20, 1 June 2026 (UTC)