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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 9 April 2025 (UTC) .[reply]

List of Saturday Night Live guests (U–Z)

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List of Saturday Night Live guests (U–Z) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In honor of SNL's 50th anniversery I wanted to get promote some SNL content. This list wasn't nearly as tough as I thought it would be and it only took me a few days. I picked it as it was the shortest of the SNL guest lists. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose I know there have been multi-part lists before that have been nominated separately, but I am uncomfortable with a few letters of the alphabet being promoted to FL while the rest of the list is unimproved. There are not six independent lists here, but one that just happens to be subdivided for length reasons.

  • Moreover, List of Saturday Night Live guests has the actual introductory content, which in most cases would be the lead or introductory sections for the list that should also be FL quality. The lead for this subpage just copy-pasted the lead from that. Just because there was enough content to split the list members on separate pages doesn't mean 1/6 of the tabular material should get the star by itself.
  • This is one of the least informative lists I've ever seen nominated here. It's just names and a checkmark. At the very least I'd expect the year(s) of appearance to be included. It's not much better than List of Saturday Night Live episodes (seasons 1–30) and List of Saturday Night Live episodes (season 31–present), which fit all the hosts and musical guests and more info on just two pages. I guess being together in alphabetical order is nice, but when in letter-based tables, sortable columns are kind of worthless. Reywas92Talk 00:08, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see about adding notes and dates columns, though their might be a sourcing problem with it. As for your first point. It seems quite in-actionable. Just because one sublist is improved doenst mean the others magically get better. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just because one sublist is improved doenst mean the others magically get better. Exactly. I do not want to give out a star when 5/6ths of the content is unimproved. It's entirely arbitrary that this is the U-Z list. Why not merge them all into one long page that's sortable in a useful manner? Or have three pages instead of six since this one is in fact somewhat short? Reywas92Talk 00:58, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This seems inactionable. Would you promote List of SNL episodes 1-30 since 31-present isn’t at the same standard? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 08:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You've added "Banned from future appearances" to Neil Young, but the source does not support that assertion. Reywas92Talk 01:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92: I hope to add a first appearence column but I cant find sources for all list entries could I list the episode under MOS:PLOTCITE? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:53, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Reywas92Talk 17:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92: It took me a few days but I have added a dates coloumn Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from TheDoctorWho

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Figure I'd go ahead and knock this out for you:

  • Ref 1: isn't asking for a paid subscription from me?
  • Ref 7: a WP:VALNET source, is there anything better available?
    • Cut
  • Ref 10: VIDEO --> Video Done
  • Ref 20: Missing an author Done
  • Ref 24: Any reason you're citing the Peacock website rather than just the specific {{Cite episode}}?
    • I'm not citing the episode I'm citing the listing
  • Ref 31: isn't asking for a paid subscription?
  • Ref 50: pipe the link to just Biography
  • Ref 53: Another MovieWeb
    • Replaced
  • Ref 66: Link Variety Done
  • Ref 86: Another where we're not citing the actual episode? Per above
  • Ref 119: Same as above
    • Same as reason I don't cite the episode with the various hosted clips.
  • I'd suggest running some general scripts from date formatting cleanup, dumb quotes, and title/sentence case Done

TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheDoctorWho: Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@OlifanofmrTennant: from NOTBROKEN: However, it is perfectly acceptable to change it to Franklin D. Roosevelt if for some reason it is preferred that "Franklin D. Roosevelt" actually appear in the visible text - I'd say its preferred for uniformity in formatting of references (i.e. you use The Guardian not theguardian.com; Entertainment Weekly not ew.com) TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TheDoctorWho: Done Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great work, source review passes! TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

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Review is based on this version of the page.

  • Frank Zappa was banned after for SNL after acting unprofessionally. – Banned after for SNL doesn't really make sense, seems you were trying to say something else?
  • Ref 1 – "Love Love" is supposed to be "Matthew Love"
  • Ref 3 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 4 – Missing date
  • Ref 8 – Add James Andrew Miller as an author
  • Ref 8 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 16 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 27 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 54 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 59 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 60 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 75 – Wikilink American Songwriter
  • Ref 76 – Yale Bulletin & Calendar exists as a redirect instead of simply linking "Yale"
  • Ref 91 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 98 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 99 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 100 – Note as subscription required
  • Ref 115 – Missing date

Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:02, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@OlifanofmrTennant: There's an error with ref 115. I believe that's probably related to an attempt to add the date? Hey man im josh (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: fixed Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on reference formatting. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vestrian24Bio

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@OlifanofmrTennant:

  • Add a language varaint template. Done
  • Instead ticks for appearances, consider replcing it with no. of appearances as each (Host, Musical guest and Cameo). For empty cells in these three add the {{N/A}} template as well.
  • Also, consider adding a Latest appearance or Recent appearance column; only for guests with multiple appearances.
  • For the "As the voice of [...]" notes, I think they should instead be in Cameo column as {{Efn}} notes. Also, consider adding similar notes to other cameo appearances as well explaining what the cameo was; only where it applies which should exclude guests welcoming a new five-timer.
    • Problem is with this and the above two is it would possible lead to some WP:OR issues some of the sources just say "X appears on day" not "X appeared on day and did Y. They returned Z times on other day". As for the voice of EFN I worry that it would reduce the value of the notes column and make the cameo column more cluttered
  • Also, what's the initial sort order? assuming it's alphabetical order, which it should be...
    • Ukrainian Chorus Dumka of New York should be placed between Bob Uecker and Carrie Underwood. Done
    • The White Stripes should be placed between Forest Whitaker and Betty White. Done
    • The xx should come before Xzibit. Done
    • Last four of Y table should be: Young Jeezy, Young Thug, Neil Young, Paul Young. Done
    • Todd Zeile should come between Frank Zappa and Renée Zellweger. Done
  • Ref 81 - SB Nation is an unreliable source.
    • SB Nation is owned by Vox Media and I know it has been used in FLs before though off the top of my head I cant recall any.

Vestrian24Bio 12:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vestrian24Bio: Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 20:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All good, Support. Vestrian24Bio 04:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Bgsu98

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I examined your article last night and only have a few suggestions.

  • Paragraph 2, sentence 2: "On occasion" should be followed by a comma.
  • With regards to the tables, these are only my personal preferences. I prefer it when sequential tables are the same width; I think it looks much more uniform. If this were my article, I would set each table to a uniform width (say, 70%). Additionally, I would specify that the columns (especially the Host, Musical guest, and Cameo columns) be of uniform width as well, because the contents of those columns are only checkmarks. You could specify that those three columns be of a specific width, or set each table to have the same parameters (for example, Performer=30%, etc.).
  • I would also suggest removing the "Notes" columns from tables where there are no notes, as empty columns look unusual. The column can always be re-added in the future if a note needs to be added.

Unlike the editor above, I see no reason to not promote one article in a series even if the other articles do not merit it. What that tells me is that the rest of the series should be brought up to the same quality as this one. Even if all six were ready for FL nomination, it's not like they could all be submitted at the same time. There is nothing wrong with promoting one, taking the improvements suggested here and applying them to the other articles, and then promoting them one at a time as well.

Please let me know if you have any feedback! Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:09, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bgsu98: done Olliefant (she/her) 17:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant, the tables are uniform now, so I will Support. If you don't want them to stretch out the full width of the screen, you can set the width (ie. 70% will stretch the table out to only 70% of the screen's width). Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:34, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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