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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! x RozuRozu • ^tea_cups 21:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC) x RozuRozu • ^tea_cups 21:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank yo for the warm welcome (with the heat of the wikipedia's servvers, they shouldn't have cooled down), I love cookies.

I actually planned to stay lurking and moslty doing typological changes (hence the long period of low eddit count) when I saw that I could improve the Dutch phonology page and one thing causing another, I began edditting what I remember caught my attention. Ʃouer (talk) 23:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you. I mostly copy pasted previous citation templates and editor marking is really heavy for my poor little eyes, so I didn't spotted it. Ʃouer (talk) 23:31, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

Error

Hello. Please explain why you added the wrong audio file to the Australian English entry of the Voiced glottal fricative article? BodhiHarp 00:59, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello BodhiHarp.

I thought an English example would be usefull, but the greatest provider of "Autralian accented recordings" on wikimedia (Commander Keane) only has recording of expressions containing behind and there is little occasions for /h/ occuring intervocalically in English, so I didn't had the patience to find another more suitable one.

In a similar fashion, I already added for the Voiced alveolar and postalveolar approximants#Alveolar a recording, Is-veggfóður.oga, containing the caption for the film's title, for various reason (speaker's the one to produce the most approximant in commons' corpus, correspond to an actual everyday word, ...). And even if it has been done recently, I haven't received any negative feedback, so I thought applying the same logic. If you also disagree with my Icelandic example: veiðiferðin || [ˈʋeˑi̯ˑ.ð̠˕ɪˌfɛɾ.ð̠ɪn]^ⓘ || 'The fishing trip' Ʃouer (talk) 23:54, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

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Icelandic approximant

I just wanted to say thank you for your recent edits, and apologies if my earlier removal was bothersome as your revert summary said. Your additions of better sourcing are much appreciated! ~ oklopfer (💬) 18:23, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello oklopfer. First off my apologies for the delayed answer and Happy New Year.

I'm glad you appreciated, I'd say it's a perfect example of teamwork. It pains me to admit it but I am particularly disorganised and I don't always put up the efforts needed to be clear (hence my reticences to edit phone pages which have to be consise). When I saw you deleted the Icelandic mention on the Voiced alveolar approximant page, I thought "Welp, that's understandable. But it's definitely an approximant. Where did I saw this mentionned ?" and realised I knew of NO accoustic study (still don't) on the topic, only the given quotes of Árnason which by encyclopedic standards should be considered gut feeling. This is the reason why I qualified the situation as bothersome, I had a hard time finding good sourcing. But luckily, the matter isn't the most controversed in phonetics and until now, nobody objected (including you).

I said "teamwork" because the edit you made right after reminded me that one diagram in Rögnvaldsson even if it pains me that we do cite it (if you want to do smth against your will, do it well I guess) as no articulatory study -I know of- reported dental (let alone interdental) realisation of /θ/. Also like I previously mentioned Pétursson actually doubts this is even a thing in Icelandic and implies it's a one of those statment born out of repetitions, not out of actual evidence (but Iceland is vast, everything's possible).

I would also like to thank you for the regular (especially the one you carried right after the discussed edit) clean-ups and expansions you do on the phone pages. At this point, you're the closest we can get to chief editor on these pages.

PS: I'd truly need writing practise, there are too much "I" even for me in here. Sorry for the eyesore.

PS2: I saw BodhiHarp recently added Dutch to the [ɰ̃] page. As you absolutely couldn't have guessed due to my recent habit to appear in discussions about fringe transcription (which I confess this one is), I was the editor that added gong as [ɣ̊oɰ̃ŋ]. This is COMPLETLY unsourced and is only meant to highlight the gradation in the timing of the closure of the examples presented on the Dutch phonology page. Ʃouer (talk) 10:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, Ʃouer, and Happy New Year to you too! Teamwork makes the dream work, and diligence builds the encyclopedia :) ~ oklopfer (💬) 13:12, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Swedish pitch accents

Hi again Ʃouer, I just wanted to note that we should be mindful of transcribing pitch accents in Swedish with extreme precision, as the transcriptions may be misleading to a reader (it is not a tonal language, only a pitch accent one), notating practices and distinctions which are not necessarily well cited for the language. It can be problematic to rely too much on Wikimedia audio files, which are often specific to the idiolect of the individual who recorded them rather than a wider documentation of the language, and may be dipping a little too close into WP:OR. Your corrections are of course highly welcome, but I do think greater caution should be exercised here. ~ oklopfer (💬) 22:22, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

Nice to see you here again oklopfer.

I unrstand, highly narrow trscripts belong to prsnl comms, prsnl flexing, and technical works. Not Wikipedia. Plus, if I wanted to be truly narrow ⟦j̊oˈɦänː˦ɛ̠s˩⟧ has... smth missing (I'd like to keep this nswr shrt , my keybrd is on strike, esp vowel).

I hope you agree with me that we should nonethelss transcribe Swedish simplex accent II word with peaking (bc we're dealing with individual word long utteranves) diacritic/Chao letters and generally follow compounds guidelines -in Bruce (1977)- (like I did in the velar approximant pages: [ˈtʰîɛ̠mɐˌdɒ̟̄ːɣæɳɐ̞̀]) as I wouldn't like a conventional umbrella symbol to be used in say central Bai (ys rndomly taken) or more "simply" Vietnamese. I would definitely take them at face value and be puzzeled if I get a hand on recodings. Which is more or less fine for Vietnamese (and so theoretically Sv even if we haven't -yet, on my paper todo list- extracted Bruce (1977). But going into dialect just kills it.) but becomes a real hassle for languages with less accessible documentation (turn of phrase...). Ʃouer (talk) 00:44, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

Yes, more citations if you have would be excellent. Your recent changes are also much appreciated!

I hope your keyboard stops acting up so much :) rest well, friend ~ oklopfer (💬) 01:53, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

I just made my transcripts slightly more abstract, I'd totally agree if you find them too narrow.

Tone 2 gets a first peaking tone (though is the initial lower start due to initial low tone as Bruce claims or voicedness -which doesn't appear in Mira-, out of scope anyways) to parallel with 2nd syll in bysillabic words. 2 nd stress gets middle tone (high is reserved to focus, irrelevant here though) and final syllables low tone.

Like I said, I'll try to incorporate further infos on tone into the phonolgy page (and all of this mess is already for a single dialect...). I just have to finally write readable paragraphs.

Ʃouer (talk) 01:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

You're right.

1. I shouldn't try to think this late (UTC+1; 02:36).

2. Wikipedia doesn't render most prosodic factors. Why should SV be different just bc the line is fuzzier and that little me happend to have read a single thesis detailing the ropes. (I was reminded the fuss about JP prosodic breaks) Ʃouer (talk) 01:35, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

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