Black Kite

Requesting to look on this persistant vandalism and edit warring

Enough, thank you both. It is good that you are discussing, but that should be taking place at the talk page of the article. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi admin User:Black Kite, i want to report you a new user Dena-4413 [] who is vandalizing this three pages related to stadiums as per seen in their contributions, []. Despite my clear explanations per the list criteria notes point 1 (regarding permanent total capacity that includes both seating and standing areas as per the article criteria), this user is simply reverting back without giving any explanations multiple times. Edits from Dena-4413 also has use of non RS sources, vandalizing article titles with question marks (?), adding unwanted letters in a category and removing information, as confirmed from the contributions history and the article [], [], []. This user was previously reverted by other two editors also on these pages like in this case [] and this one too []. If you look at these pages esp. the [] and the [] you will find various IP users who have done this same edits and have been reverted by numerous users, but after some time another IP or a new user like Dena-4413 arrives and makes same changes to these specific pages and engage in edit war like now. I dont want to get on 3RR in these pages so i thought to report you, so that you can take required action. ACMehta (talk) 19:40, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

The Indian stadium was built with a capacity of 110,000 seats. When the seating was finished, the stadium's official Instagram page wrote that 114,600 seats had been installed, making it the largest stadium in the world. But suddenly, on the opening day, it was revealed that the wrong number of 132,000 was written outside the stadium for the capacity of this stadium, while the number of fixed seats is the measure of the actual capacity of the stadium, not the standing people. I know that this stadium is the largest in the world, but not with a capacity of 132,000, which is wrong, but with the exact number of installed seats, which is 114,600. I hope you can help me so that I don't upset others. I even counted the total number of seats in the stadium using photos of the stands, and the number 114,600 is correct and real. I would be happy to discuss this with you. Because if the stadium's capacity was 132,000 people, the stadium would never have seemed completely full in the 2022 final, which had approximately 101,000 spectators, and it never seemed like 31,000 seats were empty. Dena-4413 (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

@Dena-4413 I'll answer it categorically, Firstly, Its good that you choose to communicate for once, unlike all your numerous blank reverts in all the three pages until now. So thank your for that. As i mentioned before, that in the list of criteria notes Point 1, it clearly states that we put up the total permanent capacity (including both seating and standing), and dont segregate them like you did. The same has been applied for Signal Iduna Park in Dortmund, Germany, which approx 81,000 capacity listed here (including 15,000+ standing areas), they use it for German league matches, whereas in Uefa competitions where only seating capacity is eligible, its tops out to only 66,000+ seats. So similar norm per rule should apply for every stadium like we put single entry in all other columns like here.

2nd point, here in Wikipedia we say what the WP:RS sources say and not write our own content per WP:OR, so the fact that you said I even counted the total number of seats in the stadium using photos of the stands, and the number 114,600 is correct and real. meant that you didnt read these policies which states that your individual work doesnt stand valid against these points to be used in Wikipedia, overriding other WP: RS sources.

3rd point, both of the sources you are inserting, including random blog pages like topendsports are not reliable as mentioned by other editor too as they are not WP:RS again and you should take that into consideration. Also, Instagram cant be used as a source like you want, nor can any other social media platforms like X etc. Read WP:SOCIALS for that.

4th point, In your edit in the NMS stadium as i mentioned, you are doing vandalism by changing article reference titles with ? as it listed there, and removing information of recent matches without any explanation, and adding random alphabets to the category like you did at the end of the article.

5th point, You are reverted rightly so from other editors in the Rungrado May Stadium page by listing out that the sources said it had 150000 capacity in the past, but it doesnt have it now, and currently it only has 113281 per RS sources and that shoudnt be changed per your wish, but what per sources confirm. All other sources too confirm that too. Past records go in the infobox section of that stadium page and not in current lists like you are inserting repeatedly.

6th point, There have been dozen other IP editors which have done the exact same edits of disrupting the numbers like you are doing, in these very 3 pages a numerous times if you look at the Rungrado May Stadium and list of total capacity pages edit history, you can confirm it. Despite being reverted by clear similar reasons by various other editors and not just me alone, these IP either reverted back, or came with new IP and did the same changes and now you too are doing the same from a very new account. Even after being warned/reminded by Zaxxon0 on your talk page. I suggest you to go through all the above points and read the policies and guidlines which editors like Zaxxon0 and I have linked to your talk page and not engage in edit warring, not using numerous IPs and diferrent accounts for sockpuppeting purposes, using talk pages instead of blank edit warring and edit/contribute to Wikipedia constructively per WP:CTW and not like this. Thankyou ACMehta (talk) 20:25, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, both of you. First of all, can we please stop using the word "vandalism" here, please? WP:NOTVAND is quite clear about what vandalism is and isn't. This isn't. Meanwhile, yes, the words "permanent total capacity" are important here, and so are reliable sources (i.e. not social media postings, or blogs). If you're not sure if something is a reliable source, simply ask! Black Kite (talk) 07:22, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Thankyou User:Black Kite, that you cleared that the term "permanent total capacity" is important here due to the article's ranking table's list of criteria notes and reliable sources WP:RS are not the blogs (like topendsports) or social media (like instagram) per which the User:Dena-4413 wanted to make changes.

Also wanted to inform you that why i used vandalism is because of edits like these, [].

If you scroll down and look at the whole edit, you can see that the user has replaced reference title with a string of '???... ' at multiple places, replaced currency sign of the rupee with a '? ' at multiple places, changed the word 'archive' to 'achive', and added letter 'r' out of no where after the category in the very end of the page. And despite explaining these things while reverting to the org. version, they kept onto undo it with the same errors and mistakes multiple times. I hope you got my reason for using the term vandalism here. ACMehta (talk) 09:34, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, but it's still not vandalism. They're trying to help, but simply not doing it very well. The rupee symbol issue is probably just a character encoding issue at their end; where this happens it is common to replace an unknown symbol with a question mark. Black Kite (talk) 10:20, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, all stadiums have the number of seats written, except for the India Stadium, which is why I also wrote the number of seats in that stadium, because someone might be wondering how many of the 132,000 seats are there. An example of this is the Maracana Stadium, which has 78,000 seats, but including standing people, in the past it held nearly 200,000 spectators in 1950. Is the capacity of the Maracana 78,000? Or 200,000? I would appreciate your guidance. Dena-4413 (talk) 17:17, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello my friend. I appreciate your explanation. I also calculated the capacity of the North Korean stadium, which is written as 113,281, and I saw that it is very close to the number 114,000 written by the sources and added it to Wikipedia. Why then did my correction not go back? The next thing is why the Indian stadium is written with the maximum capacity, such as seats and stands, but the North Korean stadium is written only with the number of seats? The rules should be the same for all stadiums, will the Hassan II stadium, which is being built in Casablanca and has a seating capacity of over 115,000 people, be after the Indian stadium or above it? The Maracana stadium also had a capacity of 200,000 spectators in 1950, but when it was fully seated, its capacity was reduced to 82,238 in 2007, and later it was rebuilt for the World Cup and its capacity was reduced to 78,000, should we consider the capacity of the Maracana stadium in Brazil to be 200,000 or 78,000? Thank you. Dena-4413 (talk) 17:08, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello my friend. I appreciate your explanation. I also calculated the capacity of the North Korean stadium, which is written as 113,281, and I saw that it is very close to the number 114,000 written by the sources and added it to Wikipedia. Why then did my correction not go back? The next thing is why the Indian stadium is written with the maximum capacity, such as seats and stands, but the North Korean stadium is written only with the number of seats? The rules should be the same for all stadiums, will the Hassan II stadium, which is being built in Casablanca and has a seating capacity of over 115,000 people, be after the Indian stadium or above it? The Maracana stadium also had a capacity of 200,000 spectators in 1950, but when it was fully seated, its capacity was reduced to 82,238 in 2007, and later it was rebuilt for the World Cup and its capacity was reduced to 78,000, should we consider the capacity of the Maracana stadium in Brazil to be 200,000 or 78,000? Thank you. Dena-4413 (talk) 17:09, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

My friend User:Dena-4413, as i and User:Black Kite pointed out about giving importance to the term, '"Permanent total capacity"' which include all kinds of forms of how many spectators can enter the arena and watch a spectacle, be it seating and standing or VIP corporate boxes (but permanent now, not like the past capacity the stadium once had like Marcana had 200k back in the day) in this case the NMI stadium has 76 corporate boxes (vip/vvip) also might be included in the total to make it 132,000, so we cite that per sources. Here BBC and Reuters clearly mention 132k is the permanent current seating capacity per sources i will list below, have a look at every single one of them (including others like France24, ABC News etc) and verify:

We say what the reliable sources say and not do WP:OR original research like you are doing. Look at this BBC source [] it mentions 132k seating capacity, look at this France24 source [] it again mentions 132k capacity, look at this DW source [] again the same mention of 130k+ capacity, look at this ABC News source [] it also mentions the same 132k capacity, also look at this Reuters source [] it also mentions clearly 132k seat capacity. Apart from these all international WP:RS sources we have the International Cricket Council (ICC) sources, indian news sources (both linked in the article currently) saying the same of 132k capacity. If they all RS sources are not segregating between seats and Corporate VIP boxes and saying total capacity at once, like the articles list of criteria mentions in point no. 1 about permanent total capacity, why are we doing own research?

Also what you did was actually this [] based on some random travel agency site called Young Pioneer Tours, you added 150k capacity also to the Rungrado Stadium, which is neither an WP:RS, and also claims that some other souces say its under 114k now. But nevertheless its not an RS, like the international sites i used so it doesnt matter. Anyways North Korean sources are mainly not included in the WP:RS due to the reliability of them under the complete state dictatorship it has since decades, but you can confirm onto this one with User:Black Kite as i dont have clear info about it that if any reliable North Korean source exists (if they do, which i didnt get) which backs the current permanent capacity 150k claim of Rungrado stadium (and not of past) and can we include that here. Also about your other doubts as i said earlier per the list of criteria notes in the article that it needs to be current permanent capacity per RS sources, so thats 73k for Marcana Stadium now (not 200k in past) per its page and sources attached [] and 115k for Hasan II stadium per its page and sources attached [] so we only say that and nothing else. The past records go in the body of the stadium page and not current lists Same example i gave for the Signal Iduna Park or Westfalenstadion in Dortmund to you earlier.

Hope everything is clearer now. Also you can challenge any one/all of the above sources i mentioned (BBC, France24, DW, ABC News, Reuters) claiming the 132,000 current total capacity (like BBC and Reuters source above specifically mentions 132,000 seating capacity) in NMI stadium at [] WP:RSN noticeboard and debate there regarding it if you have your valid reasons countering of what they are already citing in this case. Until then lets stick to what they say and cite it in these Wikipedia stadium pages and lists. See you ACMehta (talk) 21:07, 08 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello my friend and thank you for your time. I understand exactly what you are saying and my question is whether a stadium like Wembley which has 90,000 seats has special seats or not? Is the number 90,000 the exact number of seats installed or is Wembley stadium like the Indian stadium has fewer seats and they have declared its capacity as 90,000 including special and standing seats? Because the result I see is that most stadiums in the world are written with the capacity of seats and very few like Dortmund and India stadium have their capacity written with the total internal spaces. And what is true is that the Indian stadium has only 600 more seats than the North Korean stadium and not 18,000 seats. Because the Korean stadium also definitely has standing and special seats. Thank you Dena-4413 (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

It seems, you didnt get my point at all User:Dena-4413, We say what reliable sources per WP:RS say like the BBC News and Reuters, and do not do our own research per WP:NOR or speculate WP:BALL like you are doing. Even admin User:Black Kite stressed on the term 'reliable sources' above from my responce. Look at this BBC source [] it clearly mentions 132k seating capacity at NM Stadium. Also look at this Reuters source [] it also mentions clearly 132k seat capacity at NM Stadium. Both very reputable WP:RS sources mentions the term seating capacity clearly. So, we will also cite per what they say about 132k seating capacity (it doesnt matter in which form those seats are, normal seats or corporate vip box seats, same goes for all other stadiums). I have also added these high quality sources too at all these pages, look at them and verify yourself. In short, if BBC News and Reuters are saying it has 132k seating capacity like many other sources, we say and cite the same here. Hope its very clear. End of Discussion from my end. See you ACMehta (talk) 21:43, 09 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, I can never confirm what others say without research, even from reliable sources, this stadium has 114,600 fixed seats and 17,400 other spaces. I never removed the number 132,000 and I just mentioned that this stadium has 114,600 fixed seats, like Westfalen which has 66,000 fixed seats and a final capacity of 81,000 or Alianz Arena which has 70,000 fixed seats and a total capacity of 75,000, but you did not write this stadium like that and you behave as if you are from India and definitely the day when the Indian stadium is full you will realize that its real capacity is not 132,000 and it is less. Although the Vietnam stadium will be bigger than the Indian stadium in every way and probably the Moroccan stadium which has more than 115,000 seats with additional places will have a larger capacity than the Indian stadium. I am not in the habit of quickly believing everything my sources say, and I will not believe anything until I have completed my own research, but I will cooperate with you now, out of respect for Wikipedia's rules. The truth will come out one day. Dena-4413 (talk) 19:24, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

@Dena-4413 Repeating it 100th time probably for you, Look at this BBC source [] it mentions 132k seating capacity clearly, also look at this Reuters source [] it also mentions clearly 132k seat capacity. Wikipedia pages are supposed to cite exactly per what these WP:RS sources like BBC News and Reuters say, and not per what you believe per WP:NOR by your own shady research. Currently you are speculating WP:BALL without any reputable source to back your numbers, whereas i have listed reputable sources (like BBC, Reuters and others) to exactly verify the 132k seating capacity. Look at WP:ASPERSIONS as you are casting them at me in bad faith even after i cleared all your misconceptions in good detail above. You said you cant confirm what others say without your own research (even from reliable sources like BBC, Reuters etc). But with all due respect, who asked you to confirm? This isnt someones personal blog, and every sentence of it is cited per what WP:RS sources say. I would suggest you to look at and read WP:NEWBIE, so that you can have a good idea about contributing to wikipedia way better than what youre doing now. ACMehta (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Sammi578?

Hi.. do you mind to look up on this user: Sammi Railway? I think it may be related to Sammi578, which you blocked for not responding on their talk page/ANI in November 2025. Thx. Ckfasdf (talk) 03:47, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

•  Done Blocked. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)