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Requested move 27 December 2025

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The result of the move request was: moved to C.D. Universidad Católica (Ecuador). voorts (talk/contributions) 02:11, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

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Universidad Católica del Ecuador → Club Deportivo Universidad Católica (Ecuador)Club Deportivo Universidad Católica (Ecuador) – The current page name is ambiguous. "Universidad Católica" is the name for several "Catholic Universities" in Latin America. Proposing adding "Club Deportivo" and (Ecuador) to differentiate it from the more well known Club Deportivo Universidad Católica of Chile. "Club Deportivo" is part of the club's name. MicroX (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 21:19, 3 January 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 23:48, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 09:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose would prefer a move to C.D. Universidad Católica (Ecuador) to match convention at Category:Football clubs in Ecuador. GiantSnowman 09:04, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

  That convention is arbitrary. Most of the Ecuadorian football clubs were not following that convention until an overzealous user started moving all the articles from their common name to that convention without any discussion. MicroX (talk) 15:22, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

  No, the convention is very well established across all counties, see e.g. AC Milan, Manchester United F.C. etc. GiantSnowman 16:11, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

  Not true. Look at Talk:Inter Milan. There have been debates about moving it to FC Internazionale and there hasn't been consensus. MicroX (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

  @MicroX: the consensus was very well established indeed in Ecuadorian clubs, aside from some specific cases. They are not currently because you moved several clubs from their names under consensus to their full names, such as C.D. El Nacional, S.D. Aucas (which I reverted) and so on. The only moves I can agree are Deportivo Cuenca and Deportivo Quito as it's a clear WP:COMMONNAME (same scenario as Inter Milan), but I strongly disagree from the others. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

  @BrazilianDude70 when was that consensus established for Ecuadorian clubs? MicroX (talk) 18:47, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

  @MicroX: take a look at Talk:Rangers International F.C.. It was moved to "F.C." mainly due to WP:CONSISTENCY, which seems to me that you're breaking it now by doing these moves... BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

  That's in the realm of Nigerian football and related to the "F.C." or "FC" abbreviation which is ubiquitous in football club names. I wouldn't jump the gun and apply the F.C./FC consensus to every football club article page name and blanket abbreviate all Latin American clubs from Club Deportivo or Club Atlético to CD or CA. If Universidad Católica's club name had an F.C./FC, I would agree with the consistency argument because of the ubiquity of F.C./FC but CD or CA isn't that ubiquitous. Like you said, Deportivo Cuenca and Deportivo Quito are very good examples that we shouldn't be applying this FC consensus to every football page name. MicroX (talk) 02:12, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

  @MicroX: It's not about "jumping the gun" or "blanket abbreviation", it's about WP:CONSISTENCY, which you're disrupting with your undiscussed moves. I mean, "Club Deportivo" is exactly "C.D.", mate :) What's the point of having a way too long name like Club Deportivo Universidad Católica del Ecuador, when you're the one moving pages under the argument of WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE yourself (as you did with Liga DIMAYOR)?

  As for this move, it is incorrect, as @Necrothesp pointed out perfectly, as "Universidad Católica del Ecuador" is way more related to the Pontifical Catholic University of Ecuador than to a football club, as there's nothing to indicate in the title that it's about football at all. It's almost like we moving Esporte Clube Pinheiros to just Pinheiros because of WP:COMMONNAME, when Pinheiros is a neighborhood of São Paulo...

  Plus, there's no such thing as a "realm" for each country... I mean, we do have WP:FOOTY/Spain (where "FC" is used instead of "F.C.") and something like that, but consistency should be applied in most cases, otherwise it'll be just a mess of articles without any standardization at all, everybody would be able to move those names back and forth without even discussing or agreeing to it (kinda like you're doing right now). Cheers, BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

  On WP:CONSISTENCY, it says "However, there has been a history of consensus among editors regarding several areas where consistency does not control titling". Consistency isn't the end all, be all for page titles.

  I never disagreed with Universidad Católica del Ecuador redirecting to the university. That is appropriate. I disagree with "C.D. Universidad Católica" being the appropriate page title. It isn't the common name of the club. Universidad Católica is the common name but since the Chilean club already exists, Club Deportivo is more appropriate to add than an acronym that doesn't qualify for common name.

  The length of the title isn't relevant and it's not ridiculously long either.

  Again, consistency/standardization isn't the end all, be all. MicroX (talk) 05:39, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

  @MicroX: You do realize that the Chilean Universidad Católica is also a Club Deportivo, right? Plus, as @GiantSnowman already mentioned, the convention was pretty much well-established before you began reverting those titles, that's what I'm saying. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 14:23, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

  Your argument falls apart when you go to Club Deportivo Universidad Católica. MicroX (talk) 17:25, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

  @MicroX: Why is that? You were the one trying to invalidate arguments by separating these conventions by countries, like you did above with the Nigerian example I've provided you. If I abide to your division, I can clearly see that in Ecuadorian clubs, "C.D." is way more used than "Club Deportivo", and if I don't, we can still see that club names are more used with the "F.C." than with their full names. Furthermore, your own arguments fall apart when you're moving things without consensus according to WP:PRECISE/WP:CONCISE and then in this discussion you deliberately choose to not only avoid them, but to go in the exact opposite direction. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

  Why is that? Because "Club Deportivo Universidad Católica" doesn't use "C.D./CD" That usage is not common in Chile. There's no reason to start abbreviating everything just for consistency's sake. If anything, spelling out Club Deportivo is more concise than the uncommon abbreviation CD. I read CD and I think of a Compact Disc. MicroX (talk) 01:45, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

  @MicroX: again, if we are basing the usage by country, Ecuadorian teams do not use "Club Deportivo", but "C.D." instead... They are currently without a convention because you broke it. This persecution over club names seems more like a WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT than anything else to me. Plus, calling "uncommon" an abbreviation to "C.D." (or "CD") makes me think that you don't follow much football at all... Several Spanish teams (CD Leganés, CD Mirandés and so on) use this abbreviation, and you're the first one actually complaining about it so hard. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

  WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT isn't appropriate here. I am giving evidence and arguments as to why the CD isn't right for some clubs. The convention also isn't law. There are clubs that do not follow the convention either, as mentioned further above.

  "Ecuadorian teams do not use "Club Deportivo", but "C.D." instead" - this is false. In the case of U. Cátolica, they never use CD in common speech. MicroX (talk) 00:43, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

• Support. Universidad Católica del Ecuador should redirect to Pontifical Catholic University of Ecuador. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
• Move to C.D. Universidad Católica (Ecuador) to match with other naming conventions in the country, such as S.D. Aucas, C.S. Emelec, Barcelona S.C. and so on. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 18:40, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Ecuador has been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 23:49, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• Move to CD Universidad Católica (Ecuador) per BrazilianDude70, except that we should be trending towards not using period, per most other international teams, e.g. CD Grecia, CD Atlético Baleares etc. The examples that BrazilianDude70 mentions can also be moved to versions without periods as bold moves.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:42, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.