Talk:Shio Satō

Clarification needed

Hi,

i'm jury rigging the bibliography and i'm still puzzled over PF Comics or PF Big Comics terms. If it's the collection of imprint then this information is unnecessary what matter is first print: Year, Magazine where it serialized before and Publisher. --KrebMarkt 18:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Refs dump

Matt Thorn --KrebMarkt 18:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

What's going on here?

I fixed the age of death (which should be 57--the source cited is wrong), then somebody reverted it, and I posted an explanation...but that whole discussion has disappeared. Was it all in my head? I'll explain again. Satoh's date of birth is December 6, 1952. There are any number of sources for the date. Just Google it in Japanese. The first and most thorough article I read on her death (in Japanese) said 享年59歳. This refers to the old way of counting age, in which an infant was considered 1 year of age at birth. Furthermore, 享年 refers to the span of calender years in which a person existed, so Satoh's 享年 would cover the years 1951 (when she was conceived) to 2010 (when she died)--thus, 59 years. Subsequent, abridged articles mistakenly said said she was 59 years of age at death. One even gave the right year of birth (1952) but the wrong age of death (59). This is just sloppy journalism. Her actual age at death was 57 years. Just do the math. As far as I can tell, the year given for her birth in the current version--1950--was fabricated to match the mistaken age of death. I knew Satoh personally. I translated her story "Changeling" for Viz some 15 years ago. I know what I'm talking about. Since the person who did the revert specifically told me to not change it without discussion, here I am (again). Now I wonder if this post will magically disappear like my last. (Yes, I'm annoyed.) Matt Thorn (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm really sorry for the mistake, and that the discussion about it seems to have been eaten alive. Thank you for fixing the mistake and explaining why it's wrong, hopefully that can help in the face of sloppy reporting. --Malkinann (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry and thanks for the correction. I guess i should have kept this article in my watch list. --KrebMarkt 19:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Satō was born in 1950, according to 総特集 佐藤史生: 少女マンガが夢見た未来 (河出書房新社, 2024, ISBN 9784309257556), a book featuring Shio Satō, collaborating with Kyoto Seika University International Manga Research Center, Meiji University libraries, manga artists close to Satō, and her sister. Japanese Wikipedia article ja:佐藤史生 uses this birth year, citing another source (a book by Moto Hagio, I have not yet read it). I am not sure why English Wikipedia says she was born in 1952, as no source is cited.

Moreover, Satō died in Tokyo Prefecture, according both to a newspaper article 7 April 2010 and to the 2024 book above, not in Miyagi.

Anyway, citation is needed. Sigeto (talk) 15:06, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

I read Moto Hagio's book 一度きりの大泉の話 (河出書房新社, 2021, ISBN 9784309029627) and found that the note 38 says Shio Satō was born in 1950. The book gives no account why.

On the other hand, the 2024 book above, 総特集 佐藤史生: 少女マンガが夢見た未来 (河出書房新社, 2024, ISBN 9784309257556), provides some circumstantial pieces of evidence to determine the birth year.

First, in the interview included in the book, her close friend Yasuko Sakata acknowledges the account by the interviewer that Satō was about three years older than Sakata (p. 23). As Sakata was born 1953, it suggests that she thinks of Satō as born around 1950.

Second, Satō's chronology at the end of the book (p. 206) says that, after she graduated high school in March 1969, she worked for a printing company in Tokyo for two years and wrote a fan letter to Moto Hagio in February 1971. This was the beginning of her close relationship with Hagio and Keiko Takemiya. Subsequently Satō lived with them in a shared house in Minami-Ōizumi (Tokyo) and helped their work. It was in the summer of the year when she met Sakata there. This chronology is consistent with the story that Satō was born in December 1950, graduated high school at the age of 18 (in 1969), worked to save money, and then started the step to become a manga artist in 1971 in the shared house that is referred to as “Ōizumi Salon” (ja:大泉サロン) today. If she was born in December 1952, she should immediately join the Salon following her graduation from high school in March 1971, without working at a printing company.

If there is no reliable source for counter-argument, it seems reasonable to consider her birth year to be 1950. Sigeto (talk) 09:51, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

The book edited by Masami Toku (Routledge, 2015) says “b. 12/6/1952, Miyagi-4/4/2010” (https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=j1LLCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA220). I would like to append a note to explain the differences among the sources about Satō’s early life. --Sigeto (talk) 04:38, 17 August 2025 (UTC)