Talk:Jun Yong Park

Requested move 2 February 2025

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The result of the move request was: moved to Jun Yong Park. DrKay (talk) 12:13, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

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Park Jun Yong → Park Jun-yongPark Jun-yong – this is the standard for Korean names, especially for MMA fighters. Want to make it consistent. This page was originally the anglicized version of "Jun Yong Park" but was changed abruptly. Currently, Park Jun-yong is a redirect page. Thanks in advance.

[updated information] For the record, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_UFC_fighters all UFC fighters with the name are structured with the hyphen. Choi Doo-ho, Choi Seung-woo, Yoo Joo-sang, Kang Kyung-ho, Ko Seok-hyun, Lee Jeong-yeong, Lee Chang-ho. Park Hyun-sung. So I wanted it to be consistent Marty2Hotty (talk) 17:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

WP:KOREANNAME is what guides this process. Consistency doesn't necessarily strictly matter; if you know of a WP:COMMONNAME or personal preference spelling that would override desire for consistency seefooddiet (talk) 08:13, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Should I just copy the coding from Park Jun Yong to the Park Jun-yong redirect. I do not know how to move an article when one already exists under a redirect. Marty2Hotty (talk) 14:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

No you should wait for this move discussion to conclude. The move closer will handle it.

I have not expressed support for the request, to be clear seefooddiet (talk) 18:32, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

But someone randomly changed the name from Jun Yong Park to Park Jun Yong without going through this. I thought it was fine with the anglacized version Marty2Hotty (talk) 18:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

You probably could have gotten away with moving it back but since you opened a move discussion you have to let it conclude seefooddiet (talk) 19:35, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

I did move it back, but the "senior" editor moved it back without explanation Marty2Hotty (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

For the record, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_UFC_fighters all UFC fighters with the name are structured with the hyphen. Choi Doo-ho, Choi Seung-woo, Yoo Joo-sang, Kang Kyung-ho, Ko Seok-hyun, Lee Jeong-yeong, Lee Chang-ho. Park Hyun-sung. So I wanted it to be consistent Marty2Hotty (talk) 00:43, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose: Hyphenation is not necessarily the standard for Korean names. Instead, WP:KOREANNAME requires three steps to determine the Latin spelling of a Korean name. None of these steps are addressed here.Tkd1996 (talk) 08:06, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

This page was changed from Jun Yong Park, what the fighter goes by, to this page without consensus. Should we change it back Marty2Hotty (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

For the record, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_UFC_fighters all UFC fighters with the name are structured with the hyphen. Choi Doo-ho, Choi Seung-woo, Yoo Joo-sang, Kang Kyung-ho, Ko Seok-hyun, Lee Jeong-yeong, Lee Chang-ho. Park Hyun-sung. So I wanted it to be consistent Marty2Hotty (talk) 00:43, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

I see what you are getting at. However, consistency on Wikipedia is not the standard for determining the proper romanization of a name of Wikipedia per WP:KOREANNAME. The first step is determining if the spelling and name for that person is used by a "a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" per WP:COMMONNAME. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source as it is user-generated (see WP:USERG, WP:CIRCULAR). Tkd1996 (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

@Marty2Hotty, to build on my above comment, I did some research because I was curious and it definitely appears "Park Jun-yong" is not the common name. Of the English language sources I reviewed, "Jun Yong Park" is used the most by 16 sources while "Junyong Park" is used by 4 sources, "Park Jun-yong" is used by 3 sources, and "Park Jun Yong" is used by 1 source. These sources also suggest that if this article title is changed, it should be changed to "Jun Yong Park" as that appears to be the name most widely used in English language sources. Sources summarized below:

Jun Yong Park (16 sources): Bloody Elbow, Business Insider, Cageside Press, College Net Worth, Fightful, Fight Matrix, Flash Score, GID Stats, ITN WWE, MMA Decisions, MMA Fighting, Sherdog, Sportskeeda, Sportsnet, Tapology, Verdict MMA

Junyong Park (4 sources): ESPN, Fansided MMA, UFC, UFC Stats

Park Jun-yong (3 sources): Essentially Sports, Fighting Post, South China Morning Post

Park Jun Yong (1 source): 24:Live

Mixed Use (2 sources): Asian MMA (uses Park Jun-Yong or Jun Yong Park), MMA Junkie (uses Junyong Park or Jun Yong Park

Tkd1996 (talk) 07:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Per this comment, move to Jun Yong Park seefooddiet (talk) 07:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

@Seefooddiet i agree. it was moved without consent Marty2Hotty (talk) 12:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

The thing is: MMA Standards use Park Jun-yong as the standard on Wikipedia. Most English MMA sources will name it the anglicized way. Marty2Hotty (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

There are no MMA standards for Korean names on Wikipedia. We've explained this to you already. seefooddiet (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to generate a more thorough consensus. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Support: move to Jun Yong Park Marty2Hotty (talk) 15:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

To the admin, please change it back to Jun Yong Park. It was changed without consensus initially. Marty2Hotty (talk) 02:05, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Just please be patient; it looks likely that "Jun Yong Park" will pass. When a relisting happens it takes around a week before it's closed again. seefooddiet (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Per standard for Korean names and I'm agree with Marty2Hotty's explations. 𝐌P⚚𝛂n 𓃠 {✝alk} 21:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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