Talk:Cherokee Outlet

Factual accuracy

Cherokee Outlet and Cherokee Strip are not the same thing. There is probably more that is wrong with this article.. Ash Lux 15:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• The Cherokee Outlet is most commonly called the Cherokee Strip (both currently and historically) so the names as stated in the article are correct . Statements that it is "wrong" to refer to the Outlet as the Strip are misleading. 12.74.168.54 04:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I have edited to article to point out that the Cherokee Strip is only the portion settled in the 1893 land run, but that the term Cherokee Strip is often applied to the whole Outlet--facts taken from the Cherokee Strip museum up in Perry (or, rather, "up in Perry" to me, I'm in Stillwater). This seems to me to address both points here, so I'm going to remove the dispute tag. Feel free to re-add it, with comments, if you find additional issues. scot 19:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Descriptivism vs. Prescriptivism

Popsiclecrawfish, I don't think it's Wikipedia's place to say it's a mistake to refer to the Cherokee Outlet as the Cherokee Strip. The fact is, it's very commonly called the Cherokee Strip, and in some official ways: , , , , . We can explain how the terms have become confused in common usage, but I don't think we should declare that a mistake. It's reality. What do others think? Lobosolo 01:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree and think it is worth explaining the difference in the terms. I lived in Ponca City for many years and the residents of the area are more likely to know the Cherokee Outlet as the Cherokee Strip. (Epicac (talk) 16:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC))

FWIW, the Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture article,"Cherokee Outlet Opening," distinguishes between the two terms. It states that the Cherokee Strip was a piece of land along the southern border of Kansas that the Cherokees lost along with the "Neutral Lands" in the 1866 Reconstruction Treaties. The Cherokee Outlet was a much larger tract in Indian Territory that was opened to settlement in 1893. Bruin2 (talk) 19:44, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Commission?

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the commission described as negotiating for this territory was the Jerome Commission? Thanks. 204.52.215.69 (talk) 05:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Article classification

This article meets the requirements for Class C. I have marked this page accordingly. Bruin2 (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Oklahoma Territory?

[crossposted from Oklahoma Territory

Was the Cherokee Outlet part of Oklahoma Territory from the beginning? The Organic Act reads, "... except the unoccupied part of the Cherokee outlet", and furthermore, the borders of the territory run until they "strike[s] the south line of the Cherokee outlet which it follows westward to the east line of the State of Texas," and then also includes the borders of the Public Land Strip as if they were non-contiguous [thanks to the Outlet], and furthermore, states that the outlet will be added to the territory at a later time. Most sources include it from the beginning, but some, most notably, well, the organic act itself, but also the Newberry County Maps Project, puts it as joining in 1893, following the proclamation of a treaty with the Cherokee. --Golbez (talk) 21:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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Not 35 - it was 33

The article had a conceptual error on the critical point of the article: explaining what the outlet is and where it came from. It did not come from 1835. That covered the Cherokee Neutral Lands, a buffer rectangle in SE Kansas. It has nothing to do with the outlet. There was a complete misunderstanding of the verbiage of Article 5 in the 1835 treaty. Whoever wrote this, and it seems to come from a purportedly reliable source, is simply wrong.

The Article 5 portion that was quoted is talking about the Neutral Lands. The Neutral Lands were in Kansas. The Cherokee Outlet was in (mostly) Oklahoma. So I deleted it.

I also fixed the article to talk about the correct treaty, which was 2 years earlier. This is is based on the understanding of the Smithsonian that sent all their maps to the GPO and are considered official.

Here is the deleted portion:

Under the terms of the treaty, the lands ceded to the Cherokees would "in no future time be included within the territorial limits or jurisdiction of any State or Territory" and the Cherokees were promised a land patent verifying their ownership of the land.

The main resource to use to prove all of this and to keep your treaties straight has the "Schedule of Indian Land Cessions" that has maps and every little detail for determining the borders of each claim and cession. The 1835 Treaty of New Echota was for neutral lands, not a regular reservation. See all of those new references I have added. I like to saw logs! (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2026 (UTC)