Talk:Berry Bros. & Rudd

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Advertisement

I have just added {{Advert}} to this article. While it seems to me that the company is sufficiently notable to deserve a WP:EN article, this was entirely written by a staff member of the company User:3stjames -- note that the company's address is 3 St. James's Street, London. The user's only WP:EN contributions have been this article.

It needs a major rewrite to be appropriate here.

• "- Pioneering a completely new concept in wine retail, our Bin End Shop in Basingstoke "
• "From the Georgian ambiance of Number Three St James's Street to our ultra-modern shop in Hong Kong, all of Berrys' shops offer you quality, individuality and a passion for wine."

are two more egregious examples, but the whole thing needs changing. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 11:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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COI edit request 11-MAR-2026

Hello, I would like to request an update to the leadership information in the article to reflect reliably published details about the succession of the CEO role.

Extended content

Proposed edit

Please update the relevant section to include the following wording:

“In 2020, Emma Fox became CEO, succeeding Lizzy Rudd, who had been serving as interim executive chair following Dan Jago’s departure in January 2019. Lizzy Rudd continues in her role as Chair of the Board.” [thedrinksb...siness.com], [thedrinksb...siness.com]

Supporting sources

• The Drinks Business (16 July 2020): Reports that “Emma Fox has been appointed the new chief executive of Berry Bros. & Rudd… Fox will begin her role on 3 August.” It also notes that “Following Jago’s departure last January, Lizzy Rudd stepped into the role of executive chair…” [thedrinksb...siness.com]
• The Drinks Business (21 March 2019): Confirms that Dan Jago departed in January 2019 and that “Lizzy Rudd… stepped into the top role after the surprise departure of CEO Dan Jago.” [thedrinksb...siness.com]

These sources directly confirm the sequence of leadership and support the accuracy of the proposed update.

Thank you! Oneberryone (talk) 15:27, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

{{edit COI}}

Hello, I would like to request an update to the “History” section to replace an existing sentence with wording supported by an independent, reliably published source.

Sentence to replace

“During the years, it has counted many famous customers among its clientele including: Lord Byron, William Pitt the Younger, the Aga Khan, and Beau Brummell.”

Proposed replacement

“Historical records kept at the St James’s Street shop list notable visitors such as Lord Byron, Beau Brummell, and William Pitt the Younger.” [whiskipedia.com]

Supporting source

• The Drinks Business (6 June 2016) independently reports that Berry Bros. & Rudd’s preserved customer weight ledgers include the recorded entries of “Lord Byron, Beau Brummel and William Pitt the Younger.” [whiskipedia.com]

This source directly verifies the historical claim and supports replacing the unsourced or partially sourced previous sentence.

Thank you! Oneberryone (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

{{edit COI}}

Hello, I would like to request a sourced update to replace the paragraph beginning “2017 saw the opening…” and ending “…Pentagram design studio” with more neutrally written and independently verifiable information about the redevelopment of Berry Bros. & Rudd’s retail premises.

Proposed replacement text

“The redevelopment of Berry Bros. & Rudd’s retail footprint began in 2017 with the opening of a purpose‑built wine shop at 63 Pall Mall, designed to create a modern retail space adjacent to the firm’s historic premises on St James’s Street. The project involved transforming the ground floor and cellar areas of the adjoining building into a contemporary wine shop, replacing the smaller retail area previously located at No. 3 St James’s Street. The new shop was designed by Mowat & Company, who served as the project architects.” [cma-planning.co.uk], [jacksoncoles.co.uk]

Supporting independent sources

• CMA Planning (Project report for 63 Pall Mall): Confirms the creation of the new flagship retail store at 62–63 Pall Mall in 2017 and identifies Mowat & Company as the architect. [cma-planning.co.uk]
• Jackson Coles (Construction consultancy case study): Independently verifies that Mowat & Co were the architects for the 63 Pall Mall shop and provides additional detail on the wider redevelopment project. [jacksoncoles.co.uk]

These third‑party sources support the revised wording and confirm the involvement of Mowat & Company in the redevelopment.

Thank you! Oneberryone (talk) 15:34, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

{{edit COI}}

Hello, I would like to request the removal of the entire section titled “The Future of Wine report.”

Rationale for deletion

The section gives undue weight to a single, obscure, speculative report published in 2008, almost twenty years ago. The report does not appear to have had lasting influence, significant industry impact, or continued coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources since its publication. Per Wikipedia policies:

• WP:UNDUE – The section places disproportionate focus on a one‑off internal report, giving it prominence far beyond its significance in the company’s long documented history.
• WP:WEIGHT – Encyclopedic balance requires that topics be covered in proportion to their coverage in high‑quality sources. This report receives minimal coverage outside Berry Bros. & Rudd’s own communications and does not meet this threshold.
• WP:NOTABILITY (EVENT) – The report does not meet notability criteria for standalone events or works, and there is no indication it had meaningful or lasting industry relevance.
• WP:RECENTISM / WP:NOTNEWS – Although not recent, it was a future‑speculation document tied to its moment in time; such forecasts tend not to merit long‑term encyclopedic coverage unless widely cited or historically significant, which this is not.

Requested action

Please delete the entire section titled “The Future of Wine report.”

Thank you for considering this request. Oneberryone (talk) 15:37, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

{{edit COI}}

Hello, I would like to request an update to the article’s “Offices” section to ensure it reflects accurate and verifiable information about Berry Bros. & Rudd’s current global locations.

Issue

The article currently states that the company has “additional offices in Battersea as well as overseas in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore.”

However:

• Berry Bros. & Rudd no longer maintains an office in Battersea (no current reliable source supports this).
• The company now has a verifiable office and retail store in Washington, D.C., opened in 2025, which is not reflected in the article.

Proposed replacement wording

“Berry Bros. & Rudd operates offices in London and Basingstoke, as well as international offices in Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo, and Washington, D.C. The company opened its first U.S. retail store and office in Washington, D.C. in 2025.” [linkedin.com], [us.bbr.com], [thedrinksb...siness.com]

Supporting sources

• LinkedIn company profile listing current office locations in London, Basingstoke, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Tokyo. [linkedin.com]
• Berry Bros. & Rudd official U.S. website, confirming the Washington, D.C. store and office. [us.bbr.com]
• Independent news coverage (The Drinks Business) announcing the Washington, D.C. opening. [thedrinksb...siness.com]

Requested changes

1. Remove the outdated reference to an office in Battersea (no longer accurate and unsupported).
2. Update the section with the wording above to reflect the current, reliably sourced office locations.

Thank you for considering this request. Oneberryone (talk) 15:43, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Reply 23-MAY-2026

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• Your edit request could not be implemented because the provided references are not formatted correctly. The citation style predominantly used by the Berry Bros. & Rudd article is Citation Style 1 (CS1). The citation style used in the edit request consists of bare refs. Any requested edit of yours which may be implemented will need to resemble the current style already in use in the article – in this case, CS1. (See WP:CITEVAR.) In the extended section below titled Citation style, I have illustrated two examples: one showing how the edit request was submitted, and another showing how requests should be submitted in the future:

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Bare reference formatting:

The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 Kelvin.

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1. Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2020 https://www.booksource.com
2. Harinath, Prisha. (2020). "Size of the Moon", Science, 51(78):46 http://www.journalsource.com
3. Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2020, p. 2 http://www.websource.com

In the example above there are three refs provided with the claim statements, but those refs have not been placed using Citation Style 1, which is the style predominantly used by the Berry Bros. & Rudd article. Using that style, the WikiFormatted text should resemble the following:

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Which displays as:

The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 Kelvin.

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In the example above the references have been formatted according to Citation Style 1, which shows the author, the source's name, date, etc., placed into their own, individual parameters. This information can be overlooked when only bare refs are used. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests such as yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

• Kindly resubmit the edit request below at your earliest convenience, taking care to ensure that it makes use of CS1. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards,  Spintendo  08:49, 23 May 2026 (UTC)

References

Resubmitting COI request

Hello, based on instruction from Spintendo, I am resubmitting edit requests initially submitted on 11th March 2026. I believe that the formatting issue has been addressed. Kindly note there has been a further leadership update since original request, so I have reflected that in new cited wording. Thank you for considering this request.

Proposed edits:

1. Leadership update

“In 2020, Emma Fox became CEO, succeeding Lizzy Rudd, who had been serving as interim executive chair following Dan Jago’s departure in January 2019. Lizzy Rudd continues in her role as Chair of the Board. In May 2026, it was announced that Emma Fox would step down as chief executive, with Rob Symington and Emily Rae appointed as co‑chief executives.”

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2. Historical clientele sentence replacement

Replace: “During the years, it has counted many famous customers among its clientele including: Lord Byron, William Pitt the Younger, the Aga Khan, and Beau Brummell.”

With: “Historical records kept at the St James’s Street shop list notable visitors such as Lord Byron, Beau Brummell, and William Pitt the Younger.”

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3. 63 Pall Mall redevelopment replacement

“The redevelopment of Berry Bros. & Rudd’s retail footprint began in 2017 with the opening of a purpose-built wine shop at 63 Pall Mall, designed to create a modern retail space adjacent to the firm’s historic premises on St James’s Street. The project involved transforming the ground floor and cellar areas of the adjoining building into a contemporary wine shop. The new shop was designed by Mowat & Company.”

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4. Offices update

Replace current office wording with:

“Berry Bros. & Rudd operates offices in London and Basingstoke, as well as international offices in Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo, and Washington, D.C. The company opened its first U.S. retail store and office in Washington, D.C. in 2025.”

Requested changes: Remove outdated reference to Battersea; update to reflect current locations.

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5. Section removal request

Please remove the section titled “The Future of Wine report.”

Rationale: Per WP:UNDUE and WP:WEIGHT, the section gives disproportionate prominence to a single speculative report from 2008 that has not received sustained independent coverage or demonstrated lasting significance. It therefore does not merit inclusion in proportion to the company’s broader documented history. Oneberryone (talk) 08:44, 26 May 2026 (UTC)