Talk:Confession of Faith (1689)

Written by Puritans?

The list of Westminster Divines suggests that this article is factually incorrect about the authors of the Westminster Confession (i.e. they were not all Puritans), and i suspect of the Savoy Declaration as well. paulgear (talk) 04:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Calvinist Box first, Baptist Box Second, Southern Baptist Box removed

I've done this for a number of reasons:
1. The 1689 confession predates the SBC and was heavily influenced by other confessions (Westminster). Therefore it begins with Calvinism.
2. The 1689 confession is used by many Calvinistic baptist churches around the world, not just churches within the SBC.
3. The SBC has a sizeable Calvinist minority, but you would not call the SBC Calvinistic. Since the 1689 confession is about Calvinistic belief, it would be an error to assume that the SBC infobox is more important than the Calvinist one.
--One Salient Oversight 07:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Now I've remvoed the SBC infobox and replaced it with the Baptist infobox. I didn't know there was a Baptist infobox until now and it is quite obvious that it should replace the SBC one. Sorry SBCer's! --One Salient Oversight 08:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Evangelical Puritans

This may be an anachronism - Puritans existed before evangelicalism became defined historically. I'm happy for it to be left as "Puritans". --One Salient Oversight 05:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• This I won't argue over anymore. If Puritans were around today, they would be considered "Evangelicals" - I think this is what whoever posted it originally meant. I'm willing to bet he did not mean "Lutheran", which the term "Evangelical" (at least in these parts) is not necessarily exactly equivalent to. I know they weren't calling them Lutherans, but I would have said something similar just to have modern folk understand it. Yahnatan 01:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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Part of the Baptist Confession of faith 1688/1689 directly conflict with calvinism.

This article seems to ignore Chapter 9 and 11 through 15 in the 1689 Confession of Faith with an over emphasis on Calvinism and an under emphasis on the Confession of faith. Those chapters in the confession alone conflict with major beliefs of Calvinism. I'm not suggesting that Baptist and the 1689 Confession of Faith are not directly associated with Calvinism but this article seems to suggest that the Confession is Calvinistic when it does contend with many tenets of Calvinist beliefs.

https://www.the1689confession.com/

BubbaRichard (talk) 21:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Chapters nine and eleven through fifteen do not teach against Calvinism but rather promote it and teach doctrine compatible with Calvinism. The confession is quite Calvinistic. It teaches the four states, which Augustine also taught:

1. Before the Fall- The state of innocence (posse non peccare): able not to sin

2. After the Fall- The state of sin (non posse non peccare): not able not to sin

3. After Regeneration- The state of grace (posse non peccare): able not to sin

4. In Heaven- The state of glory (non posse peccare): not able to sin

Interestingly, as I have stated, the chapters you referenced promote Calvinism and do not teach against it. They teach the freedom to act within the nature and the inability of man to save himself.

The third paragraph of chapter nine:

"Man, by his fall into a state of sin, has wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able by his own strength to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

This paragraph states man's inability to save himself necessitating the intervention of God on his behalf.

The fourth paragraph of chapter eleven:

"God did from all eternity decree to justify all the elect, and Christ did in the fullness of time die for their sins, and rise again for their justification; nevertheless, they are not justified personally, until the Holy Spirit in time does actually apply Christ to them."

This paragraph teaches election and that Christ only died for the sins of the elect. 2600:1007:B023:D024:892C:9A37:A176:AD63 (talk) 23:33, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Question:

To whom it may concern,

Is it possible to inform folks about The New Exposition of the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 that is coming out in January 2023 edited by Rob Ventura?

Pls advise.

Thank you, 2600:1000:B079:E4CA:D47:6F8A:C9D6:CE2C (talk) 12:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)